Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umar Vadillo


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The result was   no consensus. NorthAmerica1000 18:21, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Umar Vadillo

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Delete: Even with the BBC reference, this article has certainly not established Vadillo's notability. The article has only one neutral source (the BBC reference). The other two are not third-party sources. One is a bio that appears on his publisher's website. Presumably he wrote it himself. That's standard practice. The other source is merely the website of the company he owns. I've found some internet references to him, but most of them are on blogs or on sites which are also connected to the subject or his group. George Custer&#39;s Sabre (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Weak Keep: The article is currently poorly sourced and I'm not overly familiar with Umar Vadillo. However, I did find a few media articles that make reference to him.


 * http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703882304575465623070689934
 * http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-5-120142-Call-to-introduce-dirham-dinar-to-end-usury
 * http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/07/14/business/introduction-of-islamic-dirham-dinar-urged-to-get-rid-of-usury/
 * http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/malaysians-embrace-islamic-gold-dinar-20100904-14v51.html

I also found a few more scholarly books that make reference to him. For example:


 * "On this occasion the finance guru of the Murabitun, the Spanish convert Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, restated his message on the end of western imperialism through the return to the golden age of the Dinar.... Vadillo has since then attracted a great following of converts, middle-class Muslims and Islamic finance experts." Jan Stark, Malaysia and the Developing World: The Asian Tiger on the Cinnamon Road (Routledge Malaysian Studies Series) [2012], p 139. ISBN 0415699142


 * While Shaykh Abdal-Qadir is the religious leader of the Murabitun movement, Umar Vadillo, a Spanish convert, has become its religio-legal expert (a ̄lim). Bruce Kapferer, Kari Telle, Annelin Eriksen, Contemporary Religiosities: Emergent Socialities and the Post-Nation-State [2010], p 112. ISBN 0857455346.


 * In 1992 in Birmingham, England, Umar Ibrahim Vadillo organized the first of a series of barter markets for goods produced by Muslim immigrants. Seeking to stand outside of the national economy by creating self sufficient networks... Bill Maurer, Mutual Life, Limited: Islamic Banking, Alternative Currencies, Lateral Reason, ISBN 1400840716

Does this provide enough evidence of notability? I'm not sure - it might be worth asking some administrators for guidance but for now I would be inclined to keep the article. RookTaker (talk) 08:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , we ought to insert those sources in the article - that might make it easier to look at it holistically and judge the subject's notability. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, in truth, I am not particularly interested in the Umar Vadillo article and would rather spend my time editing articles I am interested in. Perhaps the creator of this article can use the sources above to add relevant useful information about Vadillo. Failing that I can look to incorporate the sources listed above.RookTaker (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Contesting Umar Vadillo Deletion Thanks  for your in-dept study into the matter. I am going to reproduce the article with the above sources plus more like, BBC, Aljazeera etc. Hopefully it will not be deleted this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefireball777 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Reproduction of the Article
I have recreated this article with the following authentic sources.

Coproducers: Al Jazeera,
 * http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703882304575465623070689934
 * http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-5-120142-Call-to-introduce-dirham-dinar-to-end-usury
 * http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/07/14/business/introduction-of-islamic-dirham-dinar-urged-to-get-rid-of-usury/
 * http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/malaysians-embrace-islamic-gold-dinar-20100904-14v51.html
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3061833.stm
 * http://gad-distribution.com/dinar-movement-the-muslim-struggle-for-economic-freedom-pe762.html?n=1/, Producer: Garnata Media


 * "On this occasion the finance guru of the Murabitun, the Spanish convert Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, restated his message on the end of western imperialism through the return to the golden age of the Dinar.... Vadillo has since then attracted a great following of converts, middle-class Muslims and Islamic finance experts." Jan Stark, Malaysia and the Developing World: The Asian Tiger on the Cinnamon Road (Routledge Malaysian Studies Series) [2012], p 139. ISBN 0415699142


 * While Shaykh Abdal-Qadir is the religious leader of the Murabitun movement, Umar Vadillo, a Spanish convert, has become its religio-legal expert (a ̄lim). Bruce Kapferer, Kari Telle, Annelin Eriksen, Contemporary Religiosities: Emergent Socialities and the Post-Nation-State [2010], p 112. ISBN 0857455346.


 * In 1992 in Birmingham, England, Umar Ibrahim Vadillo organized the first of a series of barter markets for goods produced by Muslim immigrants. Seeking to stand outside of the national economy by creating self sufficient networks... Bill Maurer, Mutual Life, Limited: Islamic Banking, Alternative Currencies, Lateral Reason, ISBN 1400840716


 * and many more

So its deletion should be reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefireball777 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 19:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 19:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 19:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 10:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 22:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * , thoughts on these sources? czar ⨹   23:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of the sources are ok, but they say more or less the same thing: that Vadillo introduced gold and silver dirhams and dinars to Kelantan, a Malaysian state, where it has not become legal tender. Is this enough to justify the article itself? I'm still not convinced. George Custer&#39;s Sabre (talk) 07:18, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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