Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umbrella repair in Hong Kong


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ultimately consensus is that there's no uniqueness to umbrella repair in Hong Kong as opposed to elsewhere and therefore no reason for a stand-alone article. A larger article about umbrella repair in general might be suitable, so no opposition to undeletion for the purposes of retrieving info/refs to build a more general article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Umbrella repair in Hong Kong

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I'm not sure what this article adds to Wikipedia. ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ᐐT₳LKᐬ  18:13, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. A non-notable topic, for our purposes. Created and edited by what looks to be about three SPAs that I daresay may be sock accounts. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:SNOW delete. This one is so absurd, plus created by an SPA, that I wonder if it was created as some sort of gag.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable article. Trivial. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 22:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per wet SNOW, unless they repair umbrellas differently in HK. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. There's a substantial amount of mainstream news coverage about various umbrella repairmen in Hong Kong: (HKEJ),  (SCMP). There's also e.g. this article from a cultural website. Deryck C. 12:09, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair, but what exactly would the article add to Wikipedia? "In Hong Kong they have repaired umbrellas for a long time. However, now there are very few umbrella repairmen left." Couldn't the same thing be said about elevator operators or other dying professions? Further, why is Hong Kong special for this? ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  12:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We seem to have articles about all these things: Cooper (profession), Elevator operator, Fast food in China, Taxicabs of New York City so I don't see your arguments as making sense. The question should be whether the topic meets the notability guidelines.--Pontificalibus (talk) 16:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Is there an article on Coopers in Hong Kong or Elevator Operators in Hong Kong? No, and there shouldn't be. There is no reason that repair in Hong Kong is more note-worthy than repair anywhere else. Just because there are articles about a topic in regards to a specific region of the world does not mean that there needs to be an article on that topic specifically related to that specific region. Something being covered in depth does not mean that it warrants an article. You can find in depth coverage on Lawnmower repair in Kansas, but having an article on it would be frivolous and unnecessary. Not to mention every profession does not need an article - umbrella repair is in no way a unique skill, it is applying other skills to a specific instrument. ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  16:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is appropriate to create a Umbrella repair article, and migrate this content under a "Hong Kong" tab.Hyungjoo98 (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The first four refs that Deryck links to seem to be reliable sources. I still don't think the article in its current form passes muster, but colour me neutral. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Covered in sufficient depth in reliable sources.--Pontificalibus (talk) 16:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and expand If this is a particular tradition that goes on in HK, but not other places, then it is worthy of note Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:22, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. There's nothing (as yet, but I'm open to changing this opinion if something turns up) demonstrating that umbrella repair in Hong Kong is somehow special and distinct from umbrella repair in Djibouti, Finland or Uruguay. One of the external links makes the point that umbrellas have become symbolic of the protest movement in recent years, so there may well be something out there which could be added to show the notability required. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:08, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand Hong Kong umbrella repair is a traditional form of industry and art. It has been covered in the past by newspapers such as the SCMP. The article as of now is very poorly written, however it can definitely be improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyungjoo98 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not a traditional form of industry and art, it is just a modern-era service repair industry that has all but died out, like radio repair shops. There is nothing to suggest a particular notability or uniqueness for it in Hong Kong - there is no no historical "umbrella-repairers district", for example. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:54, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd be hesitant about claiming that it's a modern industry. Umbrellas have a very long history in China (I've never thought about it before, but I'm sure I've seen them in many historical dramas and artworks); and in previous millennia they must often have been expensive objets d'art that were worth repairing. And that matters, because it means we're less likely to find online sources. Matt's talk 09:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Umbrellas (and parasols, etc) have been around for much longer than radios. Comparing the two is irrelevant and inappropriateHyungjoo98 (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The type of umbrella this article is about concerns a modern-era object. Modern-era is anything after the medieval period, i.e. 16th-century or later. And HK itself is a modern-era creation. There is nothing to suggest that there is something HK specific about the concept of, or practice of, or notability in repairing umbrellas. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Important Note: The umbrella movement (HK political protest) has absolutely nothing to do with this industry. Please do not suggest merging or renaming this article to relate to that.Hyungjoo98 (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Not a notable subject or one suitable for an encyclopedia. Nothing would be lost by deletion: it has negligible content, none of which is deserving of any merge. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:44, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Normally we complain that people are abusing coverage of a topic to create an article about a person. In this case, there seems to be significant coverage of the talented Messrs Ho and Yau, but not of this topic. And as has said, there doesn't seem to be anything specifically HK about this. I have found a few other references to Chinese umbrella repair men behind paywalls; perhaps this is another case where HK has preserved customs that have died out on the mainland. I do wonder whether someone may be making a (WP:SOAP) point about the Umbrella movement. If we keep it, I would rename to Umbrella repair in the hope of expansion. Matt's talk 09:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 07:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment This article is of perceived importance based on the political importance of umbrellas in Hong Kong (read 2014 Hong Kong protests for more information.) I cannot see any relevance beyond this and must say that if umbrella repair was for some reason a relevant notable craft and therefore a topic, it ought to be an international topic. not a HK specific topic. A Guy into Books (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. If this was a culturally significant industry in Hong Kong, an article Umbrellas in Hong Kong could be created based on the sources mentioned above, but the current content is just trivia. And so far nobody seems interested in improving it.  Sandstein   09:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Umbrellas are important in Hong Kong, and repairing them is a thing, but it doesn't follow that repairing them is important in Hong Long. Umbrella repair in France is even notable. I see zero improvement to the article since nomination. Bearian (talk) 12:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)


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