Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umm Ishaq bint Talhah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete but with a redirect to Talhah, based on the best arguments by PWilkinson. We have in the past redirected children of notable persons to their parent's article, and this is a prudent direction for this situation. Bearian (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Umm Ishaq bint Talhah

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Completing unfinished nom. Reasoning given in edit summary was "This article sites ZERO sources and references. It should be submitted for a speedy deletion." but I see no notability assertation either. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. "According to a Sunni source" doesn't exactly count as a reference. -- Non-Dropframe   talk   01:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, disambiguate or redirect--the subject of the article is a real figure in early Islamic history (confirmation here and here), and was the daughter of Talhah and the wife of Hasan ibn Ali, both of whom are clearly notable. I could easily see Umm Ishaq bint Talhah being a valid search term, so we should maintain some sort of page there, prominently linking to those pages. I've added references for a few statements, but I'm far from an expert in the field. This article could use some help from someone with more knowledge but IMHO deletion is the worst option, although I'm flexible as to what exactly should exist at this name. The article has been getting a few hundred views per month, so it's not totally obscure either. Meelar (talk) 19:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 04:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, notability is not inherited, and since there are two possible places to redirect, there would be no place to redirect. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: this seems like destroying the village in order to save it. If there were only one potential target, this would easily pass the bar for a redirect (similar to our treatment of Karen Santorum).  To say that adding another potential target--making this article an even more likely search term--should reduce it from redirect to deletion just defies common sense. Meelar (talk) 17:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Then delete. Easy peasy.  The Mark of the Beast (talk) 18:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow. If she was only the wife of Hasan ibn Ali, then a redirect would be in order. But she's that, and the daughter of Talhah, and that calls for...deletion? If anything, this would make her a more likely search term, which would strengthen the case for keeping something at this location. Meelar (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said above, notability is not inherited. There is nothing to say about this person except that she was related to other people.  Since there is no certain person to redirect to, deletion is the easy option.  The Mark of the Beast (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Redirect/Merge to Talhah As already remarked, this is a plausible search term - and just because there is more than one redirect target (in fact, potentially about four) doesn't mean searches should be impossible. As most of the information in this article is already in Talhah, that would seem to be the best target. PWilkinson (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lack of a clear redirect does not trump lack of notability. Search for the name and it will return all the relevant pages, including a family tree. History is sadly full of women whose only claim to fame is being born of notable parents, getting married to notable mean, or bearing notable children. She seems to be one of them. Derek Andrews (talk) 02:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge/redirect. Not seeing any evidence of independent notability. As an aside, all four wives of her husband have pages of their own. I think there might be a walled garden of sorts based around Family tree of Husayn ibn Ali and its associated pages. That might be the best page to redirect to...? --DeLarge (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.