Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umm Kulthum bint Jarwila Khuzima


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If its not properly sourced then we cannot even know that this isn't a hoax. Since there is clear consensus that this isn't properly referenced then the only policy based argument is delete per GNG & V but I will undelete this on the spot of someone can find some reliable sourcing and we can then merge it somewhere Spartaz Humbug! 13:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Umm Kulthum bint Jarwila Khuzima

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No notability apart from relationship Raziman T V's Alternate account (Talk - Contribs) 13:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'd like to hear from an expert. This woman is almost certainly notable as the wife of a very notable ruler and Islamic apostle. - Richard Cavell (talk) 14:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  —Raziman T V's Alternate account (Talk - Contribs) 15:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Daughter of..., sister of..., wife of... but utterly non-notable. The article has two lines in all... Debresser (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep pending more information. Possibly better to merge it.  Probably irrelevant note: I cannot find her on the List of Sahaba. --Sainge.spin (talk) 05:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep see the article on Sahaba for the significance of being one of Mohammed's companions. It is through their  reports of the Prophet's sayings  that the traditional legal structure of Islam was derived. There is probably a good deal more to be said, but I confess my own lack of the basic knowledge to find it.    DGG ( talk ) 03:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes also see the very long List of Sahaba where only the most prominant of these 'companions' are mentioned which does not include Umm Kulthum bint Jarwila Khuzima. Polargeo (talk) 13:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually the article you point to says that most Sunnis regard that anyone who saw Mohammed (in a state of faith) is a Sahaba. Polargeo (talk) 09:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge Unless significant coverage of this woman enforcing her individual notability can be found then this is a clear merge to Umar where most of this information exists already. This AfD could have been avoided with a simple redirect and merge of the limited information in this short stub. Polargeo (talk) 12:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Could use expert attention; loads of possible spelling variants, and also what is her own name? Umm=mother bint=daughter of.  Might not be much to be said about her, but it's hard to tell.  That she's not listed on Wikipedia's List of Sahaba would be a silly argument in favor of deletion, if that is in fact being argued: things aren't supposed to work that way. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 22:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not arguing that this should be deleted because she is not listed. In fact I am not arguing that this should be deleted at all, I am making the case for a merge and would be happy to see the article exist as a stub should a reasonable amount of information be found on her as an individual, but it has not been found as yet. I am really highlighting the list because DGG was trying to use the fact that she is a sahaba to enforce her notability, I was merely pointing out that the creators of the list of sahaba didn't even put her on, and that it is a long list. But you are right expert attention would help. Polargeo (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact we don't really have one reliable source for her yet. I can find some web forums arguing about her existance and that is about it so far. Polargeo (talk) 09:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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