Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umm al-Darda


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Umm al-Darda

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Very minor person connected to a person connected to Mohammad. Maybe should be on some list somewhere. Legacypac (talk) 05:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

(copied from talk page for new editor/page creator) This is not a minor person. She is listed as an important teacher and writers of hadeeth. The history of nearly 9000 Muslim women scholars were uncovered from biographical dictionaries, travel books, private letters and the accounts of mosques and madrasahs. They were compiled by Shaikh Muhammad Akram Nadwi of the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies. Shaikh Muhammad Akram Nadwi "Most recently he has completed a 53-volume biographical dictionary of the muhaddithat, the female scholars of hadith." She is a very important element in the realm of female scholars of hadeeth. A pioneer and definitely not a minor associate of an associate. As a wife of a companion of Muhammad she was also his companion and one whom heard the oral revelations and recited them as well as addressed them in hadeeth.

More information is still being compiled. She like Aisha, and Zanab are important female leaders of early Islamic teachings. They helped to shape Islam in the early years. Larelbain (talk)Larelbain


 * Speedy Keep. Failure of WP:BEFORE. One minute looking at sources and here's a Google Books hit: "With their lives spanning the second half of the first century, Umm al—Darda' and Hafsa bint Sirin are pioneers in the history of female asceticism in Islam". There are numerous other mentions, even in mainstream Western press:, . This is clearly a notable historical figure that has received significant treatment from the academics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.   FITINDIA   08:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.   FITINDIA   08:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok the book is ok. The first article is not about her. just a mention. The second quotes the same book, and is not about here either really. As the article stands, you would not know that this person is important. The AfD runs for a week, plenty of time to add some good content. I'm very fair - happy to withdraw if WP:N is established. Legacypac (talk) 11:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The Google Scholar hits, a few of which I've perused, convince me that is correct: this appears to be a notable subject, on which we likely would have already had an article had she been a Western reformer. Jclemens (talk) 01:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - She may have not have been initially notable (need to look at Arabic pre-20th century sources), but the feminist wave (most of the sources seem to focus on her because she was a woman) has definitely pushed her over the top - many google-scholar and google-books hits in English clearly satisfy notability without even looking at Arabic sources.Icewhiz (talk) 10:53, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - even minor people can be notable, and I don't think this is exactly a minor person, given the way she is discussed in reliable sources. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a poorly written and sourced article about a notable person. There are numerous hits available in publications available through Google Books (as well as actual physical books) attesting to her influence on early Muslim jurisprudence. The article simply needs to be improved to reflect that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Withdraw so the page can be improved. Legacypac (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.