Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umrah Passport


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Umrah Passport

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This seems to be an FAQ how to order a passport for Umrah/Hajj and therefore broadly constitutes travel advice. Falls into WP:NOTHOWTO and should therefore be deleted. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Textbook, blatant case of WP:NOTHOWTO. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - a nearly identical page, Hajj visa policy has similar issues. I imagine that the concept should have a page, but not as a how-to. Smmurphy(Talk) 17:39, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Then that really should be added to this Afd. It's the same issue. I don't have time, sorry. Busy in real life. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The visa policy article was created by the same author around the same time, however my personal view at the time was to let that pass and see that in a similar light as all the other articles that exist on most countries ( Category:Visa policy by country ). However, it may probably be a better solution to redirect Hajj visa policy to Visa policy of Saudi Arabia and make a few tweaks there. The main concern I have with the Umrah Passport article in this nomination, is that it is supposed to serve as a universal, global article how to obtain a passport in your country of nationality in the first place. Firstly, what is described in this article is not universally true (reference to National ID cards as required - not many countries actually have them in the first place) and it will have thousands of exceptions by country/state/district/city office taking passport applications - also depending on the applicants status in that country. Therefore, such an article can probably never reliably exist with all its complexity. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete This is clearly a "How-to manual" and as such does not belong in Wikipedia. WP:NOT says "Instruction manuals. While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places and things, an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, cookbook, advice column (legal, medical or otherwise) or suggestion box. This includes tutorials, instruction manuals, game guides, and recipes. Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not.[4]" That said, these special passports might well be notable enough for an article, but this is not that article. Edison (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. Visa policy of Saudi Arabia could be the redirect target if there's interest in a redirect. Power~enwiki (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


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