Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Una Lettera dall'Africa


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Una Lettera dall'Africa

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This film has been tagged since May 2019, and is basically an IMdB mirror. A WP:BEFORE turned up film database sites, youtube videos, and other wikis. Nothing found that could help this film pass WP:NFILM, as it needs at least 2 reviews and none are to be found. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia...not a film database site. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

http://www.archiviodelcinemaitaliano.it/index.php/scheda.html?codice=DC5796 https://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=46504 https://patrimonio.archivioluce.com/luce-web/detail/IL3000017780/12/ripreso-leggermente-dal-basso-cartellone-pubblicitario-del-film-lettera-dall-africa.html?startPage=0 https://www.spettakolo.it/2018/06/24/crema-film-festival-i-edizione/ (still being screened at festivals today) http://senato.archivioluce.it/senato-luce/scheda/foto/IL3000017780/12/Ripreso-leggermente-dal-basso-il-cartellone-pubblicitario-del-film-Una-lettera-dallAfrica.html?start=12 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=w19CDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&source=bl&ots=b-Ma3f9SlQ&sig=ACfU3U2qDN0ibXJQk7Zkoy37odYom2TVgA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLw8DAsJ_sAhWwRBUIHaRvDk44FBDoATACegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=Una%20Lettera%20dall'Africa%201951&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AMcKAAAAMAAJ&q=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&dq=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjCv6uAsZ_sAhUSTxUIHbQdBbs4ChDoATAGegQIAxAB https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uW4s4n7Q5NIC&q=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&dq=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR0JznsJ_sAhVFQxUIHTWJASUQ6AEwBnoECAQQAQ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=I-tkAAAAMAAJ&q=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&dq=Una+Lettera+dall%27Africa+1951&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLgqfLsZ_sAhUdQRUIHZ3PA2A4HhDoATACegQICRAB

Keep Hits in enough sources even if not detailed. was screened at the Venice Film Festival, huge poster there. That it's still being shown today in a notable film festival illustrates notability. † Encyclopædius  06:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * All of those links you listed are film database sites and passing mentions in books. No in-depth coverage, no reviews. And being shown at festivals do not establish notability. Have you read WP:NFILM? Donaldd23 (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I see enough sources that discuss the movie. Is something going on here? I see the nominator in quick succession made AfD nominations for Meri Jung Ka Elaan, Con rispetto parlando, Una Lettera dall'Africa and Stray Bullet (1960 Mexican film), all started by the same user and all non-English mainstream films that obviously would have been discussed by the local media, as this one was. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, all of those films had 'film notability' tags on them and I almost exclusively send only articles with those tags to either PROD or AfD as I don't believe that articles should have that tag for years, as all of those articles do. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * To further comment, if an editor creates an article and someone comes along and tags it for notability, why do they not address it as soon as it happens? If one person questions its notability, another user is bound to come along and also question it and that editor might find nothing to help it pass the guidelines so they put it up for discussion, as I have done. If these films can be saved by adding something to pass WP:NFILM then great. The notability tag gets removed, which is my goal.  Not sure why so many people cannot understand that these articles are being sent for discussion because of a tag that someone else placed on the article.  Boggles the mind that an author of an article will leave a notability tag for 10 years (as some of the articles that I have put up for discussion) without even once trying to address the issue. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I get the impression that the nominator knows nothing about Italian cinema of the 1950s or Mexican cinema of the 1960s: the studios, distributors, magazines, directors, actors and so on. The nomination is not based on an informed view that a film such as this would not have been noted by the critics. It is purely based on the fact that the article has been tagged for some time and a cursory search does not show any online English sources. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And I get the impression that many editors want to keep articles for sentimental or WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES instead of basing it on WP:NFILM. Reviews are important to passing that, and most of these older films have none that can be found either online or offline...because if they were, they would be added.  As I said before, all of the citations listed above do not help it pass WP:NFILM. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES is just an essay and is irrelevant. Reviews of this film would have been published during or after the 1951 Venice Film Festival. It is unlikely that an en.wiki editor who knows Italian will have ready access to paper copies of these old magazines and the energy to dig through them and pump up articles like this. However, under the "New Renaissance" program Italy is digitizing and publishing material as it enters the public domain, which will occur in 2021 in this case. The sources will then become much more accessible. User:Encyclopædius has already added enough sources to demonstrate notability. The article can be improved as the old magazines come online. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per improvements. It should moved to Una lettera dall'Africa (correct capitalization). --151.53.44.45 (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep While the sources provided so far are light weight, there is more substantial coverage here:, and further mentions here , . It is referred to as "the first one of its kind" here: . Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 13:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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