Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Underground barbecue

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 15:37, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Underground barbecue
Article makes it clear that this is a new concept, invented by some guys who like to barbecue. Nice idea, but very clearly unenyclopedic and unverifiable. I don't see a good way to speedy it, though. So, Delete Friday (talk) 00:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. I thought this was going to be an article about Kalua. Non-notable group. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn and possibly unverifiable. --Idont Havaname 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * In reaction to this deletion attempt:

I must still remind you that the original article with this exact content is on Wikipedia since june 25th, 2005. It seems inconsistent with Wikipedia's philosophy to engage an article who was approved and part of this free encyclopedia for 2 months in a process for deletion.

As for the reasons of why this article exists, even if it is uncommon in Wikipedia for one to justify and defend the presentation and description of a social activity, the Underground barbecue is -I must repeat- a social activity and it is pertinent for people to know about it and expand the idea. Some Internet content exists about similar activities, and the persons who created it are not related to me.

Thank you.

http://undergroundozarks.com/blog/index.php/2005/05/02/underground_barbecue?blog=2&c=1&page=1&more=1&title=underground_barbecue&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
 * In response to the above: it would appear that your article slipped through the cracks in June. Had someone noticed it then, it most likely would have ended up here at VfD. While it may be true that underground barbecue is pertinent to "people who know about it", that's not measure enough to be in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an avenue to publicity, it is a tertiary source that records information from other sources. Sorry. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Again in response to the above: We've had articles here that stayed on the site for several years and were deleted. Aside from that, I echo what Fernando said. --Idont Havaname 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Sdedeo 01:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Keep this article alive, please. Or, you know, you might want to review my numerous articles concerning Hamas and the Ezzedeen-al-qassam brigades because some consider them as terrorists and writing articles about them may promote terrorism. Then, respectfully, you'd be missing the point, just as you do now. It's just about giving information. By threatening to delete this, you are judging the idea described because the article presents an activity wich is not widespread, but still exists, is very coherent and may grow. 
 * What does underground barbecueing have to do with terrorism? Please read WP:NOT and Deletion policy for a clear understanding of why this article has been nominated for deletion. Fernando Rizo T/C 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleting an article is not judging the phenomenon; Wikipedia is not here to promote ideas which "are coherent and may grow". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which is here to report on ideas which have already grown. It is a factual repository of things which are already famous and notable, not a meme vector to promote things that want to become famous and notable. Delete. Bearcat 16:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete per Fernando. Just because we didn't manage to delete it the first time it appeared doesn't mean we should let it stay. There's no rights attached to an article being able to survive detection for 2 months. It's nothing personal, but Wikipedia can only report documented facts. - Mgm|(talk) 08:34, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too secret. Proto t c 09:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonsense. Dottore So 18:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete micro-social phenomenon. Mindmatrix 22:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.