Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unexpected Marxist Images


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 04:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Unexpected Marxist Images

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Reason I assume the Marx in question here is Karl, although Groucho might be more appropriate given the comically bizarre nature of this article. I have WP:V problems here, and I am wondering if it okay to call it a hoax. Feel free to weigh in with appropriately Marxist commentary (Karl or Groucho is fine). Ecoleetage (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hoax/joke article. —KCinDC (talk) 19:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for simply not verfiying that this is anything else than something made up by the proletariat one day. Fails WP:NEO on the face of it, but as I'm not exactly proficient in Portugese I can't read the single source so am prepared for being proven wrong. Would still be very surprised, though.  one brave  monkey  19:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! It's not a hoax. I just got back from Ecuador, and its actually a big deal there. I'm still looking for better documentation, but that last article from the Argentine daily La Nacion mentions the phenomenon quite clearly in association with Che. And the first one alludes to the phenomenon among campesinos in Mexico. I feel that this is being targeted because it seems crazy - not because its not verifiable. It is verifiable, even if its not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsjacks (talk • contribs) 19:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)  — Tsjacks (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The La Nación source is just an opinion piece about "icons" in society and doesn't seem to have anything about spontaneous appearances. Even if the sources were as you say, where does the "Unexpected Marxist Image or UMI (pronounced oomee)" come from? Some of the rest also seems to be OR. —KCinDC (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Essay/original research. Themfromspace (talk) 19:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Leave it alone. Its got sufficient documentation.  That final source has a discussion where Zizek talks about how spontaneous images of Che and Marx infuse the Catholicism of Latin America, using it as a means of arguing that there is magic/spirituality in Marxism.  The "iconos" article mentions surprising Che images and their quasi-worship, and the other does the same.  The acronym is translated (maybe poorly) from Spanish, but its legit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsjacks (talk • contribs) 2008-10-21 20:29:46
 * Please quote the section of the piece from La Nación that refers to spontaneous appearance of images of Che Guevara. Portraits of him and five other people to be used at the 2010 Frankfurt book fair are not relevant. —KCinDC (talk) 20:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to second KCinDC. I've looked at both of those sources.  Neither of your statements about what they say appear to be true. I cannot see any mention of Che at all in Feijoo & Gutiérrez, in fact, let alone what you claim to be said about him. Uncle G (talk) 20:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I would really have liked this to be true, but I can't any independent verification of this phenomenon.  The listed sources don't exactly prove out.  The lack of specific dates, places, names and images is a red flag.  Doesn't look like this holds any water at all.  I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.  --Lockley (talk) 23:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. Edward321 (talk) 23:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: if it's a hoax, it's vandalism. Images of Marx and Che Guevara magically appear in implausible places.  Seems a parody of the several sorts of theophanic images in folk religion. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 22:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete "joke" article. Would Uncyclopedia accept it? B.Wind (talk) 02:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


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