Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ungrateful


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A discussion about a potential move and re-target can continue on the Talk page. Star  Mississippi  14:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Ungrateful

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Only contains one article Ungrateful (album) which was moved from this title in 2013 on the grounds Ungrateful was 'too generic' The other two items are not articles. No assistance to navigation. Richhoncho (talk) 14:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete.Macktheknifeau (talk) 14:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not sure if the two song entries are appropriate (they're both only mentioned in the track listings of the albums, with no other releant content beyond that), but there's at least the generic meaning (which I'll add back to the dab), so we've got at least two clearly viable entries. There's also Ungrateful (band) (with a single incoming link), which may be added in the future if the topic proves notable. Uanfala (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ungrateful is a diambiguation page, which relates to articles, not things that might exist and may be mentioned in passing. Pls see the guidances "Disambiguation dos and don'ts" and Disambiguation which reads as disambiguating 'articles' throughout. Thanks. Richhoncho (talk) 15:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we've got at least two articles: Gratitude and Ungrateful (album). Uanfala (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. All entries are useful; redirects for song titles mentioned this way are very common. MB 16:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nom, this is not any kind of aid to navigation.Central and Adams (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to Ungrateful (disambiguation), which could be easily done without needing any AfD; and it will provide people with the destination they want, the definition on Wiktionary. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 20:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but if a disambiguation page had been needed I would have moved as you suggested. Richhoncho (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, but move to Ungrateful (disambiguation), and retarget the current title to Gratitude. I have just added references for the terms used to describe absence of gratitude to the lede. Obviously the dab should be kept; there are four things by that name that readers might want to look up in an encyclopedia, two with articles, and two mentioned in articles for which no one has proposed either that the article or the mention does not belong in Wikipedia. BD2412  T 02:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I can see where that's coming from, but I don't think redirecting to Gratitude would be helpful. The term "ungrateful" is an adjective describing something or someone characterised by the absence of what is being described in that article, and that's several degrees of separation between the search term and the article. I don't think it's very likely to be used by readers who are searching for content about gratitude. If you also consider that the album with the same name has some prominence and that the article about gratitude already suffers from bad hatnote overload... Uanfala (talk) 09:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment this page is the subject of a move request located at Talk:Ungrateful (album) -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, move, retarget per Polyamorph (talk) 05:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the other 2 entries are valid per WP:DABMENTION.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Crouch, Swale's statement. We shouldn't be ungrateful for this article as the entries do pass WP:DABMENTION. Copyrightpower1337 (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep entries pass dabmention. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Move There are only two topics. The redirect Ungratefulness, per WP:NOUN, and the article Ungrateful (album). We are an encyclopedia, so the only entry with this title, Ungrateful (album), is the primary topic. Then Ungrateful should be made into a disambiguation page. Tree Critter (talk) 16:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The music entries make this a useful disambig page. PS nice pun, :) MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:52, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.