Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uni roller hockey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Uni roller hockey

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Non-notable sport. Fails WP:GNG with no Google News search hits and no Google News Archive search hits. I also see no way that the sport satisfies WP:NSPORT.

All reference and external links in the article are primary references to a company that seems to have made up the sport, making this article an advertisement.

I think the best option for this article will be to redirect it to Roller hockey.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  13:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * COMMENT FROM AUTHOR: It is true that uni roller hockey is not a generally recognised sport, but I wonder how it is determined by wikipedia what is considered a valid sport? Uni roller hockey is a family activity run at many venues across the UK, where two teams compete against one another in an attempt to score the most goals (just like in football, rugby and many "sports"). In every case the players use uni hockey sticks and pucks and wear roller skates, so the method of play seems consistent throughout the country. It is a spin-off of roller skating that uses uni hockey equipment (an established sport played at many schools). It exists, it has existed for many years, many people do it, many venues run it, so I do not understand how it is a "made up" sport. Normally, it is run before, after, or as part of family roller skating sessions. I have played uni roller hockey with my kids in Peterborough, Letchworth and Royston.


 * What company links are you referring to? The proposed league is to be run as a non-profit making community activity. It does feature Google ads on the site, but does the fact that a couple of ads appear on the page make it a company?


 * "Made up the sport"? - I first played uni roller hockey with my oldest kids in Peterough (Market Deeping) almost 10 years ago. I don't know how many years uni roller hockey has been played at Letchworth, but I've been attending with my youngest son at weekends for at least 5 years.


 * The centre in Royston running uni roller hockey is a community centre. The article is not primarily about the proposed regional league, but about the activity of uni roller hockey. I'm sure it is true that the rules proposed for the league are not adopted at all venues that run uni roller hockey, but they are the only published rules that I am aware of. Most venues just hand out sticks and allow participants to try to score without any real structure.


 * If you like I can ask the many people I know who have played uni roller hockey to reply to this deletion topic and validate that it is played at many different locations (and has been for many years). I am close friends with the woman that runs the sessions in Letchworth and also close friends with the man who runs roller skating at Market Deeping (and used to play uni roller hockey with me there 10 years ago). The son of the man who runs the Market Deeping sessions now plays for the national Roller Hockey team, but first got involved in Roller Hockey through playing uni roller hockey at Market Deeping with his father and I. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr brian osborne (talk • contribs) 14:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello! The issue at this point is the notability of the subject. Wikipedia defines notability with this guideline.  It essentially governs what will be included in the encyclopedia.  WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT are the areas of the guideline that would apply to this subject.  As I covered in the nomination, the subject of this article doesn't appear to satisfy those guidelines.  More exactly, it doesn't appear to have any significant coverage from independent and reliable sources and it doesn't appear to be played on a professional level in a notable league (it would only need coverage or to be used in a pro league for it to be considered notable..


 * In hindsight, "Made up" was a poor choice of words. My intent was to point out that the name "uni roller hockey" is a phrase that is rarely used (it has no Google News Search hits and no Google News Archive search hits.  Also, using the word "company", to me, is interchangeable with "organization".  I didn't mean to imply anything about its for-profit or non-profit status.


 * Unfortunately, asking people to add their opinions won't be necessary as it won't change the outcome of this discussion. WP:AFD discussion aren't ballots so the number of people who feel a certain way isn't necessarily important.  It's more important that Wikipedia policies and guidelines be cited with regard to the subject's notability.  In this case, if you want to prove notability, providing news articles that cover the sport itself would be an easy way.  Preferably, at least one of those would be coverage on a national scale.  Outside of that, the subject may just not be notable by Wikipedia's standards at this point but that's something that others can comment on.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  15:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I really have no problem if it redirects to roller hockey (or is deleted for a valid reason). My issue was the statement that it was "made up" and being used by "a company for advertising purposes". Both these statements were lies and I wonder what the motive were of the person who made them?
 * Just to clarify, Roller Hockey is a variation of Hockey that is played on roller skates but with completely different sticks. Uni roller hockey is a variation of Unihockey that is played on roller skates and uses very similar sticks. There is Uni Roller Hockey equipment (which is identical to the standard school uni hockey equipment) sold at most large sports stores (such as http://www.acasports.co.uk/index.php?cPath=129_126). I know it was played at Market Deeping, Royston and Letchworth but none of these venus would have it included on searchable web-site. I believe Market Deeping is about 60 miles from Royston, so although the examples are regional, I'm not sure it is a "very small area of the UK". Maybe I should phone some national roller skating venues and ask how many play uni roller hockey and then list every UK venue on the article to show that it is not only played in a "very small area"?
 * Also, the only league for the sport (that I am aware of) is currently being established. However, like Uni Hockey (played in many schools without a league existing), Uni Roller Hockey is played at many skating venues (without a league existing). If wikipedia decides that "uni roller hockey" is an invalid entry then that is up to wikipedia. It has been running for many years at many locations and just because it is not found in Google searches and has not previously had a competitive league surely does not make it invalid to be mentioned (and defined) in wikipedia? I thought the purpose of wikipedia was to inform. Sports shops sell uni hockey equipment (as I have linked to), sports centres own uni roller hockey equipment and play the sport, and attempts are at hand to set up a leagues (although I accept this has to start in a "very small area"). Does a sport need to have a nationally established league and many hits in Google before wikipedia decides it is a valid entry? — Precedingunsigned comment added by Mr brian osborne (talk • contribs) 07:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok... I already apologized for my use of words. Calling me a liar is more than I'm willing to let go.  I've volunteered a great deal of time to help you by explaining things and by trying to find a way to establish notabiltiy but I think I'm done at this point.
 * Read the policies and guidelines I've linked if you want your questions answered. Please do not continue creating such large responses as they hinder the AfD process.  If you need help, tryHelp:Contents.
 * The AfD will run its course. Good luck.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  11:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I don't care what wikipedia do with the topic. My objection was only to being accused of making things up to advertise a company. I made the entry because I and my kids have played uni roller hockey for over 10 years at different venues. My son also plays normal roller hockey. If wikipedia don't feel uni roller hockey should be there then that is fine. But, if you don't like being called a liar then think twice about calling others a liar in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr brian osborne (talk • contribs) 12:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Obviously you do care or you wouldn't have spent so much time here on one topic. I never called you a liar.  Consider this your first warning due to incivility.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  13:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

QUOTE: "All reference and external links in the article are primary references to a company that seems to have made up the sport, making this article an advertisement."

You never called me a liar? I made a post about an activity I do with my kids in good faith and I was accused of making "references to a company that seems to have made up the sport".

Incivility? - I pointed out that your original statement was not true. There is no reference to a company and the sport exists (and has done so for years). I spent the time giving long responses because I wanted to make it clear that I was NOT the liar I had been accussed of being!

Obviously, you will do what you want and I guess you are not accountable for the accusations that you make. Personally, I think it does not help wikipedia gain credibility when people making genuine attempts to add missing content get treated in this way.

Had you just said "not notable enough for inclusion" then I would have explained where it is played for clarification, but I would not have felt that I had been accused of being dishonest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr brian osborne (talk • contribs) 13:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 
 * Redirect to Roller hockey, with a couple of explanatory sentences inserted there. I can find nothing that suggests that this sport is played in any location other than a very small area of the UK and apparently has achieved no notability that has been demonstrated in arm's-length third-party reliable sources.  Ubelowme (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete I'm leaning delete on this one.  Certainly an interesting topic, and I don't doubt that it will become wp:notable.  But as per the nutshell of WP:N, notability requires that a topic be noticed "over a period of time", and I don't find any Google books that have discovered the topic, and I think that a topic like this would have been quickly discovered.  It is part of WP:What Wikipedia is NOT to WP:Promote new ideas.  The fact that the Royston City Council has an webpage on the topic might be enough to recreate the redirect after deletion, and redirect to Royston or some list of games topic.  The article also appears to have WP:OR problems, and as per our WP:Deletion policy, WP:OR is a reason for deletion.  Unscintillating (talk) 05:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 20:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. I suggested above that this should be redirected but I'd also find deletion appropriate.  But let's get 'er done.  Ubelowme (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of WP:SPORT notability, not even sure if there's anything to merge. OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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