Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Union Hill Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Union Hill Middle School

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US middle schools do not generally have articles on Wikipedia unless there is something notable about them independent of their existence as a school. Although this article is well written and referenced, the only assertion of independent notability is some history of being an exceptional  high school, which could and should be covered in the article on the high school. Re-purposing buildings is common practice for school districts, and the history should follow the school, not the building, unless the building itself is historic. Note that the standard procedure of merging the article to the school district was attempted, and would be fine with the nominator, but another editor objected. Gtwfan52 (talk) 15:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Union City School District (New Jersey) per longstanding precedent on middle school articles. If for some reasn that can't be done, then delete. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  16:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Union Hill was a high school from its construction in the early 20th century, and has only been a middle school since 2009, so it should not be considered in the same way as other middle schools. It meets general notability criteria by virtue of being covered significantly in secondary sources. Of the 14 citations currently in the article, 13 are secondary sources that include two articles in The New York Times, as well as articles in New Jersey Monthly, The Hudson Reporter, NJ.com/The Jersey Journal, etc. It is noteworthy for being the alma mater of notables such as actors Bobby Cannavale and Allison Strong, politicians Rudy Garcia and Bob Menendez, athlete Nikos Galis and Nobel Prize-winning physicist Frederick Reines, the co-discoverer of the neutrino, and possibly the only scientist in history so intimately associated with the discovery of an elementary particle and its properties. The high school where Reines and these other people went to isn't notable? Of course it is. Nightscream (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The article provides ample reliable and verifiable sources -- more than for the overwhelming majority of high schools -- to demonstrate that it meets the Wikipedia standard of notability. Given that the high school was merged into another entity, there is far more convincing logic to keep the history in this article. Alansohn (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Now I understand the problem. Somehow or other, Union Hill High School has gotten redirected to Union Hill Middle School.  That is what isn't right here.  I would be fine with reducing the content about the middle school in this article to the fact that it is now a middle school and page-moving it to Union Hill High School.  That would be much more in line with what the school article guidelines call for.  That would conform this article to the majority of historic high schools' articles. Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, it's the same building. It's not like it doesn't exist any more. Yeah, technically the entity that building housed is different from the one it houses now, but does that hair really need to be split? If Union High High School was notable, then shouldn't its notability extend to whatever it is now, since they have a shared history? Just because middle schools generally aren't notable doesn't mean that this one can't be an exception. Nightscream (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I would have no objection to renaming the Union Hill Middle School article to Union Hill High School, leaving in all of the details regarding the former high school, discussing the merger and the reuse of the old high school building as a middle school. Alansohn (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Proposal Since no-one wanted this outright deleted, not even me, I would propose deleting the current redirect page at Union Hill High School, page moving Union Hill Middle School there and doing a rewrite as needed, and creating a new Union Hill Middle School as a redirect to the school district. Anyone object to that?  If the Admin involved in this discussion would consider doing what an admin must to make that happen...we could maybe close this with everyone happy? Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I appreciate your suggestions, Gtwfan, but I do not favor removing material about its current status as a middle school (such as the Administration section), nor changing the article title to one that refers to a now-nonexistent entity. I went into a bit of detail on my reasons for this in my most recent message on Gtwfan's page, which I made a minute or two ago. Nightscream (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. It was once a high  school so it does not  loose that  notability in spite of the current page name (there is a cat  for defunct  schools), and the well  sourced article provides valuable, relevant  background to  whatever it  has since become.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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