Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unisonic (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Unfortunately the sources given do not rise to the level of "multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable." Promotional material, blogs, and personal web pages are obviously out. The situation may change in the future (for instance if/when the album comes out), but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.Cúchullain t/ c 18:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Unisonic (band)

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It fails WP:BAND in all respects. No published music. All sources fail because they are from promotion companies, fan sites, and fan clubs. Contested PROD. — Jeff G. ツ 18:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC) Comment WP:Crystal, how do you known they will get a record label? We can't predict the future. IJA (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC) Comment They are hardly third party reliable variable references IJA (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per proposal. Etrigan (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep/Merge to Michael Kiske. See Talk:Unisonic (band). It would have been helpful if discussion could have taken place there before bringing this to AFD.--Michig (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No published music, minor record label and no charting in any singles chart. However I wish the band good luck so that one day they may be famous enough to have their own wikipedia page. IJA (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Given that the band has not yet signed to a label, it's hardly surprising that they haven't had any 'published music', chart hits, etc. Given that the band includes the singer from Helloween, two members of Pink Cream 69 (who released 2 albums on Epic and 2 on Sony), and the former guitarist from Asia (band)/Gotthard/Krokus (band), and given that there are sources with which to verify this, could someone explain why we wouldn't at least want to merge the verifiable material to the Michael Kiske article?--Michig (talk) 06:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I just added links/references to the article, from "Michael Kiske's official website" and an interview with him as well. Is it a wikipedia rule that the band has to be signed to a label or to have an album out, in order for an article to be featured here? Mpaoxi (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment/Keep Added further references to the article. IJA, can you please state what do you mean by 'They are hardly third party reliable variable references'? On the article, there are at least 6 different references on the band. Jeff G, I just reviewed the WP:BAND and it clearly states that "A musician...may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria". The article meets the following criteria: "1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable" - Michael Kiske and Dennis Ward have been featured in numerous musical albums, articles, etc. "4. Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country" - UNISONIC performed several concerts in Germany and also held a show in Sweden Rock Festival. "6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles" - Michael Kiske was Helloween's ex vocalist and he has worked with numerous artists, such as Gamma Ray, Avantasia and Masterplan. Kiske, Ward and Zafiriou were all memebers of the Place Vendome project, with which they released 2 albums.Mpaoxi (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Mpaoxi's comments are interesting but hardly significant when taken in context to this band. Notability is not transferred and depends upon verifiable reliable press for the subject. Where is the press or citations for the concerts mentioned? If trivial mentions are made, that is not significant and does meet the stated criteria. Ideally, the band should be the subject of multiple reputable magazines like Rolling Stone where their name appears in the title of the article or where they are directly covered and receive substantial mention within the article. moreno oso (talk) 14:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - moreno oso, Official information on the mentioned concerts can be found here:, and from a magazine . Further general information on the band can be found here: (Greek music magazine),  and . I presume that when the band finds a record label, there will be more magazines issuing articles about their forthcoming albumMpaoxi (talk) 14:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Fails WP:BAND. moreno oso (talk) 13:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * comment @ Mpaoxi They are not third party references for example "www.Michael-keiske.de" is a band member's website and thus violates WP:SELFPUBLISH. Read Identifying reliable sources for further details IJA (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article lists sources and the coverage appears to be substantial. However, I don't know if the sources are reliable.-- Pink Bull  20:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Keep - I personally see no serious reason to delete this article, except if the sources are not considered reliable. As mentioned earlier in the discussion, the article meets at least 2 criteria of the WP:BAND. In more detail: 1) "Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country" - UNISONIC performed in Sweden Rock Festival 2010 (, and ). 2) "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles" - Michael Kiske was Helloween's ex vocalist and he has worked with numerous artists, such as Gamma Ray, Avantasia and Masterplan. Kiske, Dennis Ward and Kostas Zafiriou were all memebers of the Place Vendome project, with which they released 2 albums. Ward and Zafiriou are also members of Pink Cream 69. Mpaoxi (talk) 09:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


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