Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Kingdom of Lunda Tchokwe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete on this article, but that the subject may be worthy of mention elsewhere. There were a number of people who recommended merging the content, and they make a reasonable argument that the subject, the independece movement, is notable enough to be mentioned in an article such as History of Angola. However, there are serious policy issues with the content in the article. In its present form, the article does acknowledge the subject as "an unrecognized state", but then it goes on to describe it as a real geographical entity of "approximately the same size as Spain", with a history, and even with a list of rulers, giving the false impression that this is somehow a de facto entity. There are sources in the article, but apart from the website of the group behind it, they don't make reference to the "United Kingdom of Lunda Tchokwe". As such I find the argument that none of the current content is worth merging to be persuasive. The content is not verified by reliable sources, and appears to reflect the ideas of a fringe element giving very undue weight to a fringe point of view. The subject may be covered at the suggested merge targets, but the content here is not suitable for that. Sjakkalle (Check!)  20:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

United Kingdom of Lunda Tchokwe

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have some look on the "sources". I am really sure that this a hoax, and the "kingdom" exists only on this website. have some look on the "sources". I am really sure that this a hoax, and the "kingdom" exists only on this website. On Commons, the stuff related to that article was already deleted.Antemister (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * delete; not a hoax but self-proclaimed by a bunch of unknown peopel, no independent refs (the independent ones cited in the article do not say of UKLT, but of generall local history). - Altenmann >t 16:42, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment not a hoax. There is an independence movement claiming historic legitimacy, and for independent verification see the Amnesty link now removed from the article by Altenmann. The movement, and claim behind it, appears notable - if the government has indeed felt it necessary to arrest people for asserting the claim that in itself is sufficient evidence of notability in my view. Nor does the article actually assert that the claim is recognised internationally. The Lunda Tchokwe are a recognised ethnic group - see this tourist site for example, but covered in WP under the name Chokwe people. I suggest that there are two ways to go - to cover the claim to a separate political identity here from a non-POV stance and possibly rename the article, or to expand Chokwe people; I suggest that the former is preferable especially considering the contentious nature. But this is going to be difficult either way because it really needs access to local sources, and a knowledge of the real political history of the area. If there was a single government or ruler for the Lunda Tchokwe people at any time in the past that would of course be sufficient for notability. --AJHingston (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of the content is closely paraphrased from this web page by an organization that apparently seeks to redraw the map of central Africa, in order to right the wrongs of European colonialism. If it survives, the article will need rewriting with material from independent sources. But I should think anything worth keeping might as well be merged into History of Angola.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  19:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge with Kingdom of Lunda. This state doesn't exist, the independence movement doesn't seem noteworthy in itself, but it seems to be a movement for resurecting the old kingdom. Arms Jones (talk) 01:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 19:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 04:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete and possibly redirect to Kingdom of Lunda. Any recent developments such as independence movements should be mentioned there or in the articles about the corresponding modern territories, but in the present form the article is worthless.  Sandstein   12:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.