Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Precious Metals Association


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

United Precious Metals Association

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The page on the United Precious Metals Association (UPMA) have several problems, and should be deleted in light of those.

Firstly, the background section of the page does not focus much on the UPMA, if at all. Its first paragraph covers the history of American gold confiscation (1933-1974), and has a "Citation needed" tag to it. Its second paragraph ("Despite this revitalization… United Precious Metals Association") contains unsourced claims such as mentioning a "revitalization of traditional gold and silver money", and uses weasel words such as calling a lobbyist (Lawrence Hilton, Esq.) for the UPMA a "sound money advocate".

The articles then mentions the UPMA's business model - however, it went to excessive depths to explain the UPMA's business model, dedicating two paragraphs for the purpose. It also contains phrases unsuitable for Wikipedia (e.g. second- and first-person pronouns, like "you can keep it in a UPMA account", emphasis mine). The header's "Special dollar conversion" sub-section contains conjectures such as the existence of "no less than six different flavors' of the dollar" (precious metals and fiat money), again using weasel words (e.g. "sound money" to refer to precious metals) and biassed statements like mentioning the "steadily depreciating value of the paper dollar", or claiming that exchanging 1000 silver dollars for a car constitutes a "trade" instead of a "purchase".

The rest of the article reads like a paean to the UPMA, complete with a fare table for their services. The "Ongoing lobbying efforts" section lists the UPMA's lobbying success, although it has little bearing to the UPMA's business.

Overall, this page should be deleted because it is either not focussing on the UMPA, or focusses on its trivial aspects.

--NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Utah.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this slightly interesting piece of WP:OR which by its title would be about a non-profit trading group, but is in fact about the circumstances within which they conduct their business. Unfortunately the absence of significant coverage of UPMA in reliable sources that are independent of the subject mean that we wouldn't have an article about the UPMA. Springnuts (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC).
 * Delete. The problem here is that the association isn't notable. The article attempts to solve that problem by adding tangentially related information about precious metals and the law, but that doesn't resolve the lack of notability (and it also creates a WP:COATRACK problem). To establish notability, we need significant coverage of the organization itself, but I couldn't find much more than a few blog posts and passing mentions in the press. The UPMA thus fails WP:NORG, and given the poor sourcing and apparent original research I don't think a merger or any other alternative to deletion would be appropriate. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.