Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Software Association

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Joyous 02:24, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

United Software Association
Yet another warez group. Big deal. Google search for "United Software Association" only garners 127 hits. Ho hum. See also: The Humble Guys. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 02:28, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep stop wasting our time with sarcastic VfD's RaD Man ... I think we get the point.  ALKIVAR &trade;[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 04:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but with reservations. Article needs cleanup. Megan1967 06:14, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep (?), I don't really know anything about warez. JuntungWu 16:58, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * C'mon, Rad Man. Keep.  They weren't as big as The Humble Guys in their day, but I certainly remember them. Katefan0 17:57, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article fails to establish notability. Capitalistroadster 06:49, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and I must admit, this one surprises me too, RadMan, although we're all entitled to be bored to the point of VfD by stories of warez scammers. Wyss 23:32, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * keep. Yuckfoo 01:12, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Legends in their own minds, I'm sure. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:51, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. GRider\talk 18:55, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-encyclopedic, possibly vanity. Martg76 13:06, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. We have an article on warez.  A self-important minor criminal organization, which based on the Google hits, isn't significant enough for an article separate from the main warez article.  I don't think we should be in a big rush to give anti-social/criminal groups and individuals that crave attention what they want.  --BM 17:46, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, I think your reasoning is flawed. Wikipedia is not a group of morality police.  If a group, however nefarious, is encyclopedic, it should be included.  According to your logic, should we also not have an entry for Mafia or Charles Manson? Katefan0 18:38, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * You've misunderstood me, or more probably, I didn't express myself well. My point is that the normal notability bar would rule out this article, anyway, and that we shouldn't be in any big rush to lower it; on the contrary, for the reasons stated, we should err on the side of caution. Clearly there are notable bad guys and we need to have them in the encyclopedia.   We just shouldn't be bending over backwards to share the grandiose view that petty delinquents like the United Software Association have of themselves just because they have a website and troll Internet forums. --BM 20:40, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * United Software Association ceased to exist beyond the 1990s. Are you sure you read the article?  I'd just hate to believe you were casting a vote of delete out of ignorance.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 20:52, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. As I keep saying; this group isn't notable, and we shouldn't be in any big rush to lower our standards for groups like this.  If you don't agree, then you shouldn't have nominated the article.  Or are you disrupting Wikipedia to make a point?  --BM 21:08, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Good. Just making sure you accurately understood why it wasn't notable.  The USA no longer exists; therefore they cannot, as you put, "have a website and troll Internet forums".  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 21:21, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * However, that is an accurate characterization of many warez and trolling groups, and I am trying to make a general point. Sorry to have confused you.   --BM 22:07, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it? Which warez group(s) specifically does your "accurate" over generalization apply to?  Curious.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 22:20, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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