Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States Ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A redirect can be created separately, but seems questionable: ambassadors aren't cabinet members.  Sandstein  20:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

United States Ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden

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Too soon. Biden doesn't take over for 2 months. This article will be empty until then. JDDJS ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 22:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 22:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. Seemingly a part of a swift nomination of multiple articles without enough time for expansion. The nominator couldn't even take the time to cite policy. KidAd   talk  22:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's simply too soon for an article. Anything useful can be merged to Presidential transition of Joe Biden for now, and this can stay as a draft. However, he will not be appointing any ambassadors for another 2 months, therefore this article is not going to contain any meaningful content until then. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 23:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said in the copycat nomination of Articles for deletion/Political appointments by Joe Biden, WP:TOOSOON is not a Wikipedia guideline. It is an essay. KidAd   talk  23:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:DELREASON is a policy, as is WP:NOTFUTURE. TompaDompa (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * On WP:DELREASON, this article can be attributed to reliable sources. You obviously did not read WP:NOTFUTURE carefully enough, because it clearly states Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. KidAd   talk  00:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * How would you attribute something that has not yet happened to WP:RELIABLE sources? And what individual appointment are you saying is almost certain to take place? TompaDompa (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As I have said, this page is in the process of expansion and will continue to grow as time passes. This is the reason why a swift nomination after less than 24 hours is unwise and unproductive. Based on my most recent edit to the page here, multiple reliable sources have begun speculation about a Biden foreign policy agenda and possible diplomatic appointments. This is not my own speculation, but the coverage being produced by reliable sources. KidAd   talk  00:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Swift creation when all there is to report is speculation is not terribly productive either. List of people speculated to be appointed United States Ambassadors by Joe Biden (or Speculation about who will be appointed United States Ambassadors by Joe Biden, if you prefer) is not exactly prime Wikipedia content. It has news value, sure, but Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. TompaDompa (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTFUTURE, events that are certain to take place are notable. You are right that Wikipedia is not a newspaper, but it is also not a paper encyclopedia and running out of space. KidAd   talk  01:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTFUTURE doesn't say that events that are certain to take place are notable. It says Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Being notable and almost certain to take place are necessary conditions for inclusion, but the text of WP:NOTFUTURE does not say that they are sufficient (that's an "only if", not an "if and only if"). It is of course perfectly possible for future events to be almost certain to take place without being notable (like the sunrise the day after tomorrow, for instance). TompaDompa (talk) 01:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to debate the limits of policy with you, but not when you make it up. KidAd   talk  01:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete We should only have articles that have actual content, we should not create place filler articles. Down that path lies madness.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment If there is no consensus to keep Redirect to Cabinet of Joe Biden and allow me to expand the Draft. KidAd   talk  18:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – too soon for this article. Redirect to Cabinet of Joe Biden. cookie monster  (2020)  755  19:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.