Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States presidential election, 2012 (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

United States presidential election, 2012
The result was   delete and redirect to United States presidential election, and protect redirect.  Maxim  ( ☎ )  16:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 
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First of all, the election is over 4 years away, so there is no information about it, other than the date. All the article says is IF Obama or McCain....they might run. As far as I'm concerned, there is not evidence either would run again, even the winner might not run again. It also says "Other Republicans that could run are....". That is also unsourced. Realistically, there could be 435 House members that could run, along with 100 Senators, 50 governors, and dozens of mayors and other top officials from both political parties. This article is very unsourced, and the only sourced thing is the date. The page could also be redirected back to United States presidential election where it use to redirect to.  C t j f 8 3 Talk 01:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:CRYSTAL. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 01:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as there is nothing concrete at all to report except I guess projected primary dates, but even those could quite possibly change, as far as I know. --Rividian (talk) 01:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you look at the revision history for the 2008 election page, it was started on December 18, 2003. --Noname2 (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya, but that doesn't mean it should have been created, especially if it had this much unsourced information in it too. That was even worse, because they didn't know if Bush was going to win in 2004 or not.  C t j f 8 3 Talk 01:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your explanation, Ctjf, but bizarrely, WP:NOT at the time apparently included the 2008 pres. elections articles as a specific exception to the crystal ball clause (proof). I still think it was a bad idea to have the 2008 election article in 2003, it's just kind of strange that policy specifically allowed for it. --Rividian (talk) 02:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It allowed for the 2008 election, but what does that have to do with the 2012 election? We are discussing deleting 2012, not 2008!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 02:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying it's interesting that WP:NOT allowed for the 2008 election article 3.5 years in advance (it was added in 3/05 apparently, not 2003 as I mistakenly thought). Still, 2012 is 4.5 years away and most importantly the 2008 election hasn't occurred yet. --Rividian (talk) 02:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The 2008 article was in fact created in 2003, but looking back I don't see much point in it having been created so early relative to the election. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible keep. The 2012 election is the next election for senators elected in 2006. We should always have articles on the next election for major offices in any country, especially in the case of set elections. This allows information to be added over time, and prevents dozens of articles being started up for candidates who may or may not be successful. Anything after 2012 is crystal-balling, but this is not: it's the next election. Change to Neutral, as I was wrong about what election it was. Take this as a warning, folks: don't edit after 36 hours of wakefulness. --NellieBly (talk) 02:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is why articles can be recreated when there is relevant information. There is no person who has announced running for 2012, and noone probably will until atleast 2010, so that is 2 years of nothing but a date!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 02:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this is the presidential election, has nothing to do with senators!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 02:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Either delete or redirect to United States presidential election. It's too early to create this article; there's not going to be anything in it but vague crystal-ball speculation until after this year's presidential election. (At that time, there will be some slightly informed speculation.) The fact that the 2008 article was created even earlier relative to the election just suggests to me that Wikipedia was more tolerant of crystal-ballery back then. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Too futuristic failing WP:CRYSTAL Testmasterflex (talk) 03:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:CRYSTAL  Burner 0718  Jibba Jabba! 04:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to United States presidential election. There are not sufficient details available yet for the 2012 race to sustain a separate article; the existing article is a potpourri of random political topics. Townlake (talk) 04:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. It will just be a collection point for speculation.  It can be created after the upcoming election is over.  --Rob (talk) 05:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Why not for 2016, 2020, etc? Is Wikipedia a perpetual (im)personal organizer? Mero son ox   t c g  06:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United States presidential election and fully protect until 2009-01-20 at least. The page is linked to several high profile articles and deletion would cause red links. I'd just like to point out the the arguments for deletion stated here were rasied by me on the talk page weeks ago. --Philip Stevens (talk) 07:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing concrete will be known before November. The article is pure speculation. • Gene93k (talk) 09:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. No real info available. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 16:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete It is not time for this article, remake it after the future election finishes --Numyht (talk) 20:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and only re-introduce AFTER the results from the 2008 election are final (IE, sometime in november) Nickjbor (talk) 06:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United States presidential election and fully protect per Philip Stevens. Hektor (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United States presidential election, as it was before. Also, full protect for the time being.  Jd 027  chat 16:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect the page to United States presidential election as with the 2016 election article. Also full protect the page as per above. Ixistant (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Protect per above. Hera1187 (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.