Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States presidential election, 2020


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The result was keep, per WP:SNOW--Ymblanter (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

United States presidential election, 2020

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Five years ahead of this election anything in here is pure WP:CRYSTAL. Article was created way too soon. Stabila711 (talk) 01:22, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep WP:CRYSTAL covers "unverifiable speculation." The 2020 U.S. presidential election could be canceled or the Earth could be destroyed, but it does not rise to the level of "unverifiable speculation." Significant RS are currently covering this planned event. We consistently have election articles on future, planned electoral contests, such as United States Senate elections, 2020 or 2020 United Kingdom parliamentary election or Russian presidential election, 2018 etc. etc. LavaBaron (talk) 01:25, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding United States Senate elections, 2020 as CRYSTAL as well. WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is a terrible argument. Having the next election is fine having anything past that is WP:TOOSOON --Stabila711 (talk) 01:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You'll also need to AfD the following, then: 2020 United Kingdom parliamentary election, and Russian presidential election, 2018, and French presidential election, 2017, and United Nations Security Council election, 2020, and at least 19 more future-date contests in major OECD nations I've counted. LavaBaron (talk) 01:42, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No I don't. The U.K., Russian, and French election is the next election for those countries. The U.S. 2016 election has not happened yet so the page for the 2020 election is too soon. The UN elections are more plausible. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more plausible the UN Security Council will hold an election in 2020 than the United States will hold an election in 2020? Are you serious, bro? This isn't a placeholder page like a page for the 2050 elections might be - this is a page curating significant RS commentary and reporting currently happening. LavaBaron (talk) 01:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood me. The UN elections are more plausible for a deletion discussion than the other elections you listed. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I didn't misunderstand you. It's clear you're all over the place. You didn't even code your WP:POINTY AfD for U.S. Senate Elections, 2020 correctly. LavaBaron (talk) 01:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , please try to be CIVIL when discussing this topic. made a mistake when they added the Senate AFD tags - have you never made one yourself? Primefac (talk) 01:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If I'm being honest, not when I'm going through mass AfDing other people's work, no, I haven't made a mistake. I try to make a point to proceed slowly, carefully, and with respectable caution instead of just firing-up the bulldozer and flooring the gas pedal. LavaBaron (talk) 01:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that it was you that caused the AFD template on Senate to point to the wrong page. So where exactly did Stabila go wrong? Multi-page AFDs are perfectly acceptable. Primefac (talk) 02:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Your noticing skills are lacking, I'm afraid. Look again - . There's a process for multi-page AfDs and it's not being followed. See: WP:MULTIAFD. It exists for a reason, specifically, to avoid the massive confusion that is being created by the current, incorrect coding. LavaBaron (talk) 02:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The 2020 Senate election article consists of speculation from reliable sources, so it does not fail the crystal ball requirements. It is also not "too soon" for this article because 2020 is the next election for class 2 Senators; in other words, it is the next election for these particular seats. This is what separates it from, say, an article on the 2020 presidential election or an article on the 2018 house elections. If nothing else, the article is useful for showing what seats are up for election in 2020 and who currently holds those seats. Orser67 (talk) 02:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. This topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources. Furthermore, I think there are two reasons WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL do not apply. (1) People are already making concrete plans to organize campaigns (Kanye West registered a Super PAC), and (2) the U.S. Constitution specifies that a presidential election must be held in 2020. Both of those facts have been discussed by reliable sources. You can always call any future event speculative, because we simply don't know if World War III will break out tomorrow and wipe out every human on Earth. However, Wikipedia does allow for articles about future events when there is sufficient coverage from reliable sources (see WP:GNG). This article satisfies that threshold. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 03:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The election has already received significant media coverage (even though it is five years from now), and several people have already expressed interest in running for president, or have considerable speculation about a possible presidential run: as mentioned above, Kanye West, as well as Senators Tom Cotton and Cory Booker. It seems not to fall under WP:TOOSOON. MB298 (talk) 03:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - topic has received enough significant coverage to merit an article --William S. Saturn (talk) 04:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG and WP:CRYSTAL (point 1).  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment We should probably just WP:SNOW this one closed. LavaBaron (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Taiwanese general election, 2020 was recently deleted based on WP:CRYSTAL. If these articles are kept, then restoring the Taiwanese one should be considered (concerns re systematic bias here). Number   5  7  10:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Provided it had broad RS discussing it, as with this one, I have no problem with that. LavaBaron (talk) 10:55, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy/WP:SNOW keep. Clear misunderstanding of WP:CRYSTAL.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  11:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not too soon to put it as at least a short article.  The election before it, the 2016 race, is underway now, so it's just the next one.  —GoldRingChip 11:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep However, the article is far too early to have the welter of content that it does, a lot of which is speculative, even if referenced. I feel more stringent editing criteria are required this many years in advance of the inevitable event and would like to see it reduced substantially in content. Fiddle   Faddle  11:47, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG. However, I also agree with the above comment by Fiddle Faddle regarding the content and editing of the article.--NextUSprez (talk) 16:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


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