Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universal Catholic Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While reasonable arguments to keep the article were presented, the delete !votes quest for reliable sourcing went unanswered. I find the focus on lack of sourcing more in accordance with policy. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  18:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Universal Catholic Church

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Cannot find reliable sources discussing this church. (Note while searching for "universal catholic church" gets lots of hits, they are all using that term to mean the mainstream Roman Catholic Church, or else in some more abstract sense of the entirety of Christianity as a whole, rather than as a reference to this particular denomination.) SJK (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. SJK (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep  - the article says the Universal Catholic Church differs theologically from the Roman Catholic church, so it might be worthy of its own article. Vorbee (talk) 08:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I could start a church in my garage that differs theologically from the Roman Catholic Church (or any other church for that matter), that doesn't make the church in my garage notable. Maybe this church is just one guy in his garage, maybe it has many thousands of members–in the absence of reliable sources, how can we confidently tell? (Also, the article doesn't clearly explain how they theologically differ from the Roman Catholic Church, nor are there any WP:RS provided for those differences.) SJK (talk) 09:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see any independent sources provided here. The books cited appear to pertain to this denomination's predecessors, not this denomination itself, because some of them were written by people who died before this denomination was founded. Looking at the denomination's website, it appears that they only have four places of worship which are sufficiently public for them to post their street addresses, and the list has not been updated in 5 years. If independent sources can be found which establish this denomination as notable, I may reconsider my recommendation. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete founding a new church is like founding a new theatre company or a new political party.  Sources are needed to prove notability.  According to this page, this church was founded shortly before this page was created: " In April 2007, Bishop Dean Bekken severed his parish and those clergy under him from the LCCI and formed the Universal Catholic Church. " Note that Bishop Dean Bekken is not bluelinked.  And that the page has no sources at all.  I thought of suggesting userfy, but the editor who created the page in 2008 hasn't logged in since 2011. I've run searches on "Universal Catholic Church" + "Dean Bekken"; "Universal Catholic Church" 2007; and on "Dean Bekken" - which brought up a local news article: (They're angry, and won't take any more | Neighbors organize to stamp out crime: [1,2 Edition] Wilkens, John. The San Diego Union; San Diego, Calif. [San Diego, Calif]06 Mar 1988: B-3.... Dean Bekken, the pastor at St. Francis Liberal Catholic Church."  almost certainly our Bekkan, but local interest story a cecade before the schism that created this church.  Article has sat for over a decade without a single WP:RS.   delete.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * keep -- This appears to be a denomination, albeit a splinter of (perhaps the Old Catholic) church. If it were a single congregation, I would vote otherwise.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Peter, that's not unreasonable, but we need some sourcing. I could reconsider if there. are sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I am strengthening my vote to keep, on the basis that it claims to have 5 US dioceses, which I assume to have several congregations. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But see their list of locations of places of worship at http://www.universalcatholic.org/locations_1.html. There are only seven locations listed, and three of those don't have street addresses shown. One of the latter is described as a "private chapel", which implies to me that it might be based in a private home. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete There are no reliable sources here. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 11:33, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


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