Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universal Insurance company Limited


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. We have little discussion and what appears to be only one good source with the Business Recorder. Borderline case.  Sandstein  21:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Universal Insurance company Limited

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No coverage in WP:RS. Very likely to fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Störm  (talk)  06:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Keep I found and used Financial Times (UK Business newspaper), Business Recorder (a major Pakistani business newspaper) and 1 other reference to edit and redo this article. Given this article was a neglected one and was totally unreferenced since 2011. Removed its promotional material and cleaned up. But the fact remains that this company is traded on the Pakistan Stock Exchange and is one of the major insurers of Pakistan since 1960. Its major clients include General Tyre Pakistan, Attock Refinery and Ghandhara Nissan automotive company. Made it a stub article so it can be further improved and expanded. Ngrewal1 (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing this, but they are directory listings and has nothing to do with coverage needed to pass WP:CORPDEPTH. Also see WP:LISTED. We only consider a company notable if they are listed on NYSE, not PSX. Störm   (talk)  10:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I would prefer NOT to make this a back and forth debate with you. I again read WP:LISTED and the words NYSE ONLY are nowhere to be seen in the WP Section for Publicly traded corporations. We all know Wikipedia management takes pride in being INCLUSIVE and not dismissive. I can not imagine Wikipedia management having that kind of attitude! Let us be reasonable and realistic here and not dismiss the world's now second largest economy China. NYSE ONLY? What happens to French, German, Indian and Japanese Stock Exchanges?
 * My reference and Stock Price Quote from Financial Times (UK business newspaper) is NOT a "directory listing" as you call it!!! Even Ford Motor Company Stock Price Quote would be a 'two liner' (stock price and a chart) on any financial website. Besides all this, an independent major business newspaper Business Recorder's exclusive article and profile of Universal Insurance company Limited was used as a reference as called for by Wikipedia. Ngrewal1 (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me elaborate that. There are over 500 companies that are listed on PSX then there are 100 more important companies whom we call KSE100. This company is not even in 'KSE100' so how we can have an article on such company? I've started many new articles about notable Pakistani companies so saying I've double standards is not worthwhile. This article clearly fails WP:CORPDEPTH. There is a company which was once listed on NYSE and is the only company from Pakistan and yet we don't have article about them. Why not spend time on creating NetSol Technologies article, rather wasting time here. Störm   (talk)  16:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You most certainly deserve credit for starting many Pakistani company articles and I know you make good faith efforts on Wikipedia like most of us to improve things. But then let us both leave the Wikipedia policy decision-making to the designated staff. I will abide by their policy. Right now, it's clear to me that any major Pakistani company outside of KSE 100 can have a Wikipedia article, if business magazines and major business newspapers have news coverage and articles on the company. Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete No indications of notability, fails GNG. Of the references quoted, the Business Recorder has no author or journalist credited but otherwise this article appears to meet the criteria for establishing notability. None of the other references meet the criteria. Since two sources that meet the criteria are required and only one weak source can be found, topic fails WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 14:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 15:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 03:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


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