Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender

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Article creator nom for deletion: I first created this article many months ago by merging Fire Nation, Air Nomads, Earth Kingdom, Water Tribe, and Bending in Avatar: The Last Airbender. This was kind of in my early days of article editing; I didn't really understand the notability criteria. While the article of Avatar: The Last Airbender is quite notable, because there are many reliable sources that report in detail on it, the same cannot be said for this article, which is entirely in universe by nature. It does not have any reliable sources that are not mentioned in either the main article or the character list, and so the article simply does not meet the general notability criteria. NW ( Talk ) 16:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: For such an elaborate work on a notable show, it would be brutal to delete outright. However, certain innocuous details can be deleted to condense the article. Begin with removing the unreliable sources, since you know the page best.Imperatore (talk) 20:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * To remove the unreliable, in-universe material would end up with an article looking like this. Which is a carbon copy of this. There is literally nothing else useful within the article. NW ( Talk ) 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Since you created this by the merge as you claim, then of course you know best about the material. I commend your conviction to have it deleted now that you are an editor more aware of notability issues. Imperatore (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as it is the universe of a popular show, just as the star wars universe. I'm not too familiar with the show but i have heard of it and think it has enough evidence to be kept. Str8cash (talk) 02:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep If the subject is notable, as you say, then just improve the article. AfD is not for cleanup. We shouldn't discard potentially adequate articles because we are for whatever reason reluctant to do them right. DGG (talk) 03:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The nominator actually suggested that the list is not notable. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment from nominator: The article cannot possibly be improved from the current state. Even if it were cleaned up and the prose, flow, etc. was made perfect, the article would still have to be deleted, as it is a content fork whose scope is too "in-universey" to merit writing about. I am familiar with the subject, and have researched it for related articles' FA/FL drives. There is literally no secondary reliable sources that apply to this article. NW ( Talk ) 04:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It is quite reasonable to have information on a notable series in a universe article.  D r e a m Focus  10:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:N and WP:WAF. Excessive plot and OR that would not be part of the series article, so it is not an acceptable spin-out. No significant coverage on the topic of the "universe" of Avatar in any reliable, third-party sources. Kudos to the nominator for learning the notability guidelines better and taking steps to correct things. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 13:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 13:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I understand as the page's creator wishes to be deleted, but before I give an actual opinion, note that Universe of Kingdom Hearts is a GA - wouldn't it be possible to do something similar in this case?  The Flash  {talk} 17:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, as there are no third party sources discussing it. Kingdom Hearts is a more unique situation as its "universe" draws on numerous famous locations and fictional characters. However, I'd seriously question that article being a "good article" considering how much of it is unsourced. I suspect it will be delisted when it is revaluated in a GAR. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 17:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, I don't see any missing citations on that page...  The Flash  {talk} 19:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per nominator's request.  The Flash  {talk} 19:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: The article does have good information, and I'm sure with the movie coming out there are more sources to be found. Most of this information could be backed up by citing the episodes. Liquidluck (talk) 06:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.