Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universidad de San Felipe de Austria


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Universidad de San Felipe de Austria

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Fails WP:GNG. Short lived educational institution. The Banner talk 17:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment the nomination is really ludicrous given that this seventeenth century foundation was the first public university in the Philippines, not some shifty outfit selling online degrees from under a flyover. Mccapra (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Google books is much more restrictive than it used to be but I can see plenty of snippet views in various works as well as this, this and so on. Mccapra (talk) 20:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete for some reason I couldn't get the book links to load that were provided by Mccapra. So, I have no idea what their quality is. Going by the comment that they are snippets though, it's probably not much. I couldn't find anything else myself either. Except for a name drop in a book of crossword puzzles. Although, given how old it is I think maybe if someone who is more knowledgeable then me about Philippian (hopefully that's the correct word) sources/languages can likely find more. Which would probably be enough for notability. So, I'm going with weak delete. I'd also be fine with it being kept if someone can come up with WP:THREE good quality references though. Just an FYI in the meantime, there might not be anything else because of it being around for only a few years in the 16 hundreds. Under the best conditions things are usually pretty sketch going that far back. Especially around for such a short time. Which is why I'm still on the delete side. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep In light of the sources that were found below. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The Philippians were from ancient Greece, did you mean Philippine/Filipino? — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 05:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I knew it didn't sound correct. Adamant1 (talk) 06:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The links provided by Mccapra are not book snippets - see the words "as well as". You can view the first by taking up JSTOR's offer of 100 free articles per month, and the second is badly formatted but you can find the relevant content by searching for "Austria" in the text. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:31, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Mccapra said "I can see plenty of snippet views." Which is what I was going off of. Since I couldn't get the other books to load and I'm not going to evaluate the quality of content in something I haven't read. I think I have a JSTOR account through my college though. I should really check. With the second one it's possible that it loaded and I was just thrown off by the bad formatting. That said, it doesn't really matter since enough sources where found below to pass the notability requirements. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per nom. Maybe we could mention the school somewhere, idk. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 05:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As said above this is a ludicrous nomination. We are supposed to be building an encyclopedia here, not a debating society. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep There appears to be a spot on the Sebastián Hurtado de Corcuera page where this could be developed. This is not a spot for original research either, but reading the said articles and the coincidence of the closing of the institution and the imprisonment of the governor in 1644- I suspect we need to be looking in general history of the Philipines books for the notability references.There is also Dispute over the oldest school in the Philippines with a large reference section. I can't help any further- as post 18 education is out of my scope ClemRutter (talk) 09:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment sorry about the links not opening. Not sure why. The first link I provided was to this journal article:


 * The Spanish Colonial Library Institutions
 * Author(s): Vicente S. Hernández
 * Source: Philippine Studies, Third Quarter 1996, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Third Quarter 1996), pp. 321-348
 * Published by: Ateneo de Manila University
 * Stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/42634613


 * The source contains references to other scholarly works that discuss the subject, and it says:


 * “The College of San Felipe de Austria had a very short life. It w founded on 23 December 1640, by Governor Sebastian Hurtado Corcuera, annexed to the one of San Jose of Manila. Corcuera en trusted this new college-seminary to the care of the Jesuits but soon as the new governor, Diego Fajardo, replaced him in 1644, ordered the return of the subsidy that Corcuera granted to the col- lege and the college had to close down (BR 1903-1904, 45, 173-8, de la Costa 1961).”


 * “Corcuera issued thirty-three new rules and regulations for the new College on the nineteenth of January, 1641. Specific indications regarding the library and the librarian were included. Regulation number twenty said:”


 * “About the library. I will instruct to provide books for this college be- cause it is good to have a library where the collegiate can study; and I command this library to be open two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon; and the collegiate should not bring any book out of the library, under penalty that the collegiate shall not enter the library in six months; and the librarian should be the senior collegiate, who has to spend one hour in the morning, and one hour in the afternoon in the library (Pastells 1904, 265).”


 * “The College of San Felipe de Austria is the first-known academic library with library regulations issued in Philippine territory (Vallejo 1981).”


 * Comment The second link is to a University of Michigan site that has an online version of this book:


 * The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803; explorations by early navigators, descriptions of the islands and their peoples, their history and records of the Catholic missions, as related in contemporaneous books and manuscripts, showing the political, economic, commericial and religious conditions of those islands from their earliest relations with European nations to the beginning of the nineteenth century; Blair, Emma Helen, ed. d.1911., Robertson, James Alexander, joint ed. 1873-1939., Bourne, Edward Gaylord, 1860-1908.


 * This source says:


 * ”The next document is one of unusual interest because it is the earliest attempt to form an exclusively royal and governmental educational institution in the Philippines - the royal college of San Felipe de Austria, founded by Governor Sebastian Hurtado de Corcuera. The first part of this document, which consists of two parts, is an extract from Diaz's Historia. Corcuera assigns the sum of 4,000 pesos annually from the royal treasury for the support of the twenty fellowships created, those preferences being designed for the best Spanish youth of Manila. The new institution is given into the charge of the Jesuits. The college is, however, suppressed at the close of Corcuera's government, as it is disapproved by the king, the decree of suppression being inexorably executed by Fajardo. The Jesuits are compelled to repay the I2,000 pesos that have been paid them for the support of the college for the three years of its existence.”


 * “The second part of the present document is condensed from notes in Pastells's edition of Labor evangelica, and is a brief sketch of the founding, duration, and suppression of the institution founded by Corcuera. The latter founds it at the instance of the secular cabildo of Manila, and the charge of it is given to the Jesuits, although the Dominicans offer to dispense with the 4,000 pesos granted it from the royal treasury.


 * ”Twenty fellowships and six places for Pampango servants are created by the act of foundation, December 23, I640. The 4,000 pesos are met from Sangley licenses. An abstract of the rules of the new institution, thirty-three in all, is given. They cover the scholastic, moral, and religious life of the pupils.”


 * ”Corcuera's letter of August 8, I641, reporting the foundation and asking certain favors, is answered by the royal decree of suppression, which is entrusted to the new governor, Fajardo. The 12,000 pesos, which the Jesuits are ordered to pay, is repaid them (if they have paid it) by a royal decree of March 17, 1647, and the incident of the short-lived college is closed.”


 * Keep, multiple sources cited, and "the first public university in the Philippines." feels like a notable subject to me. Also, given the university is defunct, the article is not likely to become outdated or incorrect. NemesisAT (talk) 16:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:GNG, being documented in works such as Building a Nation: Private Education in the Philippines and Jesuit Education in the Philippine Islands. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NSCHOOL per above argument. SBKSPP (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment At this point it should be snow kept. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


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