Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University Mall (Athens, Ohio)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Most of the Keep votes are basically saying that all enclosed malls are notable, which isn't the case as many have been deleted in the past. With such a small size and little secondary sourcing, the onus appears to fall on the delete side. Black Kite 20:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

University Mall (Athens, Ohio)

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Almost no secondary sources found; unsourced original research, no real notability asserted. Only hits found were trivial (award for the manager of the Penney's) or false positives. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I was tempted to favor deletion until I perused the category. Can we really say that this mall is less notable than the other rather numerous Ohio shopping malls in Wikipedia? Athens is the home of Ohio University, and I believe that this is the biggest or perhaps only mall in town. It obviously requires sourcing, and in searching the Athens News website I found a large number of articles. By the way, according to the Athens News, it is now known as the Market on State.. Cats can be neutered there, I hear.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I did find a couple sources that might help, but the article still needs a lot of work. Also, if the only coverage is local, does that really make it individually notable? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't coverage of most Ohio malls be local? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. I don't know what the heck I'm saying. Anyway, I wouldn't oppose a merge since I can't find much more than what I just put in there (haven't confirmed that Tractor took the old JCPenney, but with the other three anchors accounted for, it has to be there). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally I think it's absurd to have an article on every sizable shopping mall in Ohio. But that seems to be the practice. If someone nominated all except the most clearly notable for deletion, I'd favor deletion of all without significant statewide notoriety, and that would include this mall. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 13:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems enclosed malls are of a magnitude that they're considered notable. Keep consistent with the practice of keeping articles on numerous enclosed malls. --JamesAM (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the number that have been deleted over time, what is this based on? Vegaswikian (talk) 05:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with JamesAM, enclosed malls are almost to the point of inherent notability.--Milowent (talk) 04:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete enclosed or not enclosed is not a determining factor in notability. Enclosed malls can be rather small.  Generally super regional malls are notable and there is no indication that this mall falls into that size range. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Actually, most mall articles have been long since deleted, or redirected to the locality. It would immensely help to know the size of this mall, and I finally found it,  It's 300,000 square feet, and that's way under the size for most cases.   DGG ( talk ) 05:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Malls over 800,000 square feet are "super regional" and have commonly been kept in AFDs. This one seems of local interest only, and does not even make the 400,000 square foot cutoff for a regional mall. Per a tally on the talk page of Notability (shopping centers) (failed notability proposal) of the size of malls and whether they were kept in some past AFDs, most this small have been deleted. Edison (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * keep see Category:Shopping malls for thousands of mall articles of all sizes which anyone can see who is willing to look up through the category tree. No valid reason provided to go after this particular mall.  There is no criteria that establishes that only malls of a certain size or notability are to be kept in WP--these are just random opinions of certain editors. Hmains (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If this was the first or only nomination of articles like this, then maybe you could claim that this article was targeted. But I don't see how this could be the case here. Small not notable malls are nominated on a regular basis. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.