Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Wisconsin (disambiguation) (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  k eep. - Mailer Diablo 08:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

University of Wisconsin (disambiguation)(3rd nomination)

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Silly and Redundant article. Any thing related with any of the UW campuses has a "University of Wisconsin" in its name (e.g.University of Wisconsin-Parkside School of Business, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Student union, etc.). It is pointless to list parts of these universities. There is no need for this article. It can be replaced with University of Wisconsin System, which includes all the University of Wisconsin campuses and former institutions. (This is a nomination for deletion of a redundant article) Miaers 02:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. As the nominator. Miaers 03:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Harmless and routine disambiguation page, which seems to have been caught up in an extremely contentious (going so far as an arbitration filing) dispute about names of related articles. Newyorkbrad 03:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Newyorkbrad. Given the nominator's history with this topic, this almost seems like a pointy AfD nomination.  --ElKevbo 04:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with ElKevbo; this is pretty pointy. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Although I originally nominated this article deleted and objected to it being re-listed and further recreated, I believe that the article can now serve a purpose. I do however, strongly object to any proposal which seeks to redirect University of Wisconsin to this re-direct page.  Like those before me, I have trouble seeing how this is not disruptive editing, especially since the nominator has failed to even leave a notice on the page up for deletion!  Cheers, PaddyM 04:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Re-nomination appears to bring no new arguments, and is therefore a complete waste of time. Also, as noted above, nominator has not followed procedures anyway. Andrewa 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Going to that page, there is a slew of links within it. I believe the page serves a purpose which would allow people to more quickly find what they are looking for.  With the amount of "University of Wisconsin - (fill in the blank) it seems almost necessary. -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 13:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep; although I disagree with Paddy on the redirect issue, that's not the one on the floor. -- Orange Mike 14:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. I'm not sure what this looked like in previous incarnations but as it stands it is a valuable dab page, particularly in terms of listing all of the schools in the UW system.  There is some superfluous information in the "See Also" section - Wisconsin Range is a mountain range in Antarctica, somehow I very much doubt someone typing "University of Wisconsin" will be looking to end up there - but that is an editorial decision and by no means grounds for deletion.  Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Even in the previous discussion, this page served a reasonable role for disambigutation, the addition of further content directing people to the proper article makes it even better. I'm all for trying your hardest to fix a problem, but this isn't one.  FrozenPurpleCube 16:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * keep (full disclosure: I am a former student of UW and a current student of UWM) I fail to see why this ought to be controversial. Given the sheer number of schools and entities associated with the UW system, a disambiguation page is a useful way to seperate them.  No valid criteria for deletion have been listed remotely linked to any wikipedia policy.  "Silly" is not a criterion for deletion.  Furthermore, I cannot think of any valid reason that an article should be nominated three times for deletion.  While consensus can change, two deletion debates (and a DRV if I recall) should be more than enough to establish the opinion of the community.  To further re-nominate articles rapidly gets into the point of pushing a point. Wintermut3 19:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the first AfD was closed as a delete. It then went into DRV which narrowly overturned it and sent it back to AFD for a relist, which resulted in AfD version two.  So in effect it's only worked its way through the process once before (Afd to DRV back to Afd) so it's not really a rapid-renom POINT issue.   Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 22:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Miaers is now editing the page in a manner which contradicts what I believe to be the guidelines for dab pages, to an extent that I believe constitutes disruptive editing. Could some other editors see whether I am over-reacting? If not, is it time for concerted action? -- Orange Mike 23:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep While the previous versions of this page may have been uneeded (only defining UW-Madison, UW system, and the former UW), the current version is a very good resource. However, this DOES NOT mean that I agree to change the redirect of "University of Wisconsin" to this page. – Lordmontu  (talk) • (contribs) 20:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion was closed as a speedy-keep by a non-admin. I re-opened because non-admins are not supposed to do that (see non-admin closing, and the history indicates that an admin already decided to re-open discussion after closure.  However, looking at University of Wisconsin (disambiguation), I don't see the AFD notice tag on it.  Was this forgotten by mistake, or what?  FrozenPurpleCube 03:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently yes. You're welcome to put it there if you like. YechielMan 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I am reinserting my closing comments into the discussion: "As a disambiguation page, it serves a useful purpose, and it's not redundant with any other page. For what it's worth, I think the redirect of "University of Wisconsin" should stay at UW-Madison." I stand by my decision to close, as I explained on FrozenPurpleCube's talk page.  I'm not going to say anything more about this because the final result will be the same. YechielMan 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per NewYorkBrad matt91486 20:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per Newyorkbrad. 1ne 02:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: In reply to User:Orangemike above, the problem is that for all his disruptive behaviour, Miaers does have a point. There are others (I am one obviously) who find the current redirect from University of Wisconsin to UW-Madison quite bizarre and unhelpful. Those who are already familiar with UW in its various apparitions don't need a lot of help in navigation; The rest of us are left wondering just what is going on. Eventually we discover AHA! They're just having a little local war (now half a century old) about the college names. If Maiers just goes away, others will blunder into this as I did, and it will just be on again. Maiers is I think hoping that deleting the disambig (which I originally created as an alternative to the redirect) will be a step towards eventually pointing University of Wisconsin to University of Wisconsin System. There have been very strong feelings expressed by both sides, and I've been attacked by both sides, which is IMO a big clue as to what is happening. IMO we haven't reached a good solution yet, and it remains a festering wound, and an excellent example of WP:NGR. I suggest humour Miaers (and me if you feel I've been unhelpful too - I have wondered from time to time). And let's all play with lateral thoughts as to how to solve this (just the Wikipedia navigation issue, not the wider naming war)... as opposed to just repeating the same old arguments. The objective is simply that someone arriving here for the first time easily finds the information they need. IMO that should include an understanding as to why the redirect goes as it does, if it must (and as I've said elsewhere, I think anything else is a lost cause). I think we're making progress. Not there yet. No change of vote. Andrewa 20:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * According to your logic, users are too stupid to read the notice at the top of the page in order to find the disambiguation page. Of course you suggest humoring Miaers, b/c it validates your position; however, it does absolutely nothing to work toward consensus.  Cheers, PaddyM 20:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See Talk:University of Wisconsin (disambiguation). Andrewa 04:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. Deleting the disambig page solves nothing. I don't see any good compromise to this problem either. This is my first time commenting on this situation. Whenever I hear people around here talk about the "University of Wisconsin", they are ALWAYS talking about the Madison campus only not the "University of Wisconsin System". They say "University of Wisconsin System" if that is their intention. I would say keep things exactly as they are right now: the article "University of Wisconsin" as a redirect to UW-Madison and a disambiguous page. I feel in touch with the situation: I am a lifelong resident of Wisconsin, a graduate of University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, and a member of WikiProject Wisconsin. Royal broil  03:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.