Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unspeakable Vault (of Doom) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ok, 10 days is long enough. There's enough discussion to conclude that consensus hasn't changed from the previous AFD (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Unspeakable Vault (of Doom)
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Webcomic tagged with notability questions and lack of sources since Aug. 2008. As you go through it looks like there are a bunch of refs, until you check and see they all go to the website of the webcomic itself. Full of excruciating levels of detail, trivia, running gags, etc. but nothing like a reason why it deserves an article. DreamGuy (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC) 
 * Keep UVoD has been popular enough to appear in print media, a German board game company has produced an independent board game based around UVoD, and that a card game company has produced a modified version of one of its card games based around the comic. See the Appearances in popular culture section of the article.  Currently the links are formatted as standard external links rather than as references with footnotes. The German game is, I believe, a free-standing independent creation, not just a "special edition" game that is just a re-themed version of some other game.  The Munchkin game is a re-themed version however, as that is what the company specializes in making.  Also, I would ask all editors to please read the previous AfD for this article. Soap Talk/Contributions 00:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Soap. Edward321 (talk) 01:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Webcomics-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  02:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment IMHO a little more discussion about the sourcing would be helpful. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep UVoD is big and known enough to fit into wikipedia. -- Zoltan 10:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.133.134.142 (talk)
 * Comment Some comments about the sources. Per the German Wikipedia article on the publishers of the board game based on this webcomic, it seems they are specialists in translating the works of Steve Jackson Games, the makers of the Munchkin version of this webcomic, so the importance of these two sources should be tied together somewhat. Considering these two sources as a single source as I'd advise, also including the Dutch translation as the same sort of thing, that leaves the only other indication of notability (that's been included in the article, at least) as the mention by Anders Sandberg, which, if you read it, isn't anything more than a passing example of a trend, in an article that's only 7 lines long in the first place.

That being said, the Pegasus Press page does have a pretty big assertion of notability (they publish Germany's most popular roleplaying game) on it, which, if true, lends more weight to the fact that they decided to make a board game of this webcomic.Orbital Delegate (talk) 11:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.