Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untitled 2011 AMC television series


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (Or no consensus if one also considers the comments prior to the relisting.)  Sandstein   06:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Untitled 2011 AMC television series

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WP:CRYSTAL. Should probably be userfied and recreated when there's a name and a more definite premiere date. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not only does it fail Wp:CRYSTAL, it's also probably the first example of a TV series that fails Wp:HAMMER (which shouldn't be a surprise, since it's "scheduled to premier… in 2011"). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done)  10:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is pure speculation and because it does not have a title it fails TenPoundHammer's Law also. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  12:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. WP:CRYSTAL says:
 * "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred."
 * Nothing in the article is unverifiable. None of it is speculation. It's all sourced, verifiable, and notable, so it meets WP:CRYSTAL. If you still think it violates the policy, you need to actually explain. You can't just link to the page. TenPoundHammer's law only refers to articles that are made up of speculation and rumors, and this isn't. —Gendralman (talk) 12:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge this article and The Killing (TV series), which is about the original Danish show. (Its article needs sources but that should not be a problem.) When the new show airs and is reviewed then write an article on it. Right now there is not enough information for an article on the new show alone, even if there are sources giving the little there is. Borock (talk) 15:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete A rare non-album example of WP:HAMMER. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC) I take that back; I didn't analyze the sources far enough. Keep decently enough sourced. Ten Pound Hammer , his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:CRYSTAL, but it seems that the guideline needs to be rewritten along the lines of WP:NFF to make it more explicit that mere verifiability of the existence of projects is not sufficient for an article.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 18:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment. Relisting so that new sources can be considered as suggested at deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perhaps I'm missing something, but this looks notable under WP:GNG. There are three sources listed, all of which are reliable and offer fairly significant coverage. The other argument is WP:CRYSTAL, but it seems to meet that as well. The criteria that "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." seems to be met by the sources already included. I can't see a convincing policy-based reason to delete this. Alzarian16 (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Given reliable sources for the signing up of actors/producers etc it does not fall under either "Crystal" or "Hammer", despite the lack as yet of title Hugo999 (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Yes there are reliable sources that discuss it, but we really have to have a bit of editorial discretion here regarding what "it" actually is; it is a show that they have discussed making, with no title and scant details. If all you can say is that someone is talking about it at such a premature stage, then it is worth a line at AMC (TV channel) at most. Tarc (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * They haven't discussed making it, they are making it. The pilot's been produced, the season's been ordered, the contracts have been signed and the press has gone out. It's happening, and we have a cast, plot, channel and number of episodes. Putting this whole article into AMC (TV channel) would be WP:Undue weight, like putting three paragraphs about the 2012 presidential election into United States would be. —Gendralman (talk) 22:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep. It's odd that they haven't chosen a name for this yet but it's going to happen so WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.