Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untitled Mammootty Madhupal Film


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Userfy. Consensus was to userfy as this is probably WP:TOOSOON. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 13:54, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Untitled Mammootty Madhupal Film

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Promotional article about a rumoured film. See WP:G11, WP:TOOSOON, WP:NFF. Charles Turing (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   It will rain    19:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   It will rain    19:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: The article was brought to AFd and then tagged as a G-11 speedy and deleted. Sorry. I have had it returned so editors can research the topic for themselves.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:29, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This article is about an unconfirmed and rumoured project. It does not meet any criteria for film article creation. This is purely promotional.--Charles Turing (talk) 06:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Go study WP:NFF (paragraph 3). The topic and its relationship to Mammootty and  Madhupal is confirmed as receiving commentary and coverage in reliable sources... enough so that we have options that do not require a flat out deletion.  And while a film topic might be discussed under WP:NFF (paragraph 3), it is improper to send something to AFD for discussion and then hour later also tag it with a speedy. Let the discussion proceed.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 10:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Meh Seems to have started production at last, Mamooty is pretty big potatoes (aloo) so perhaps some other sources will pick up on this pablo 09:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Valid enough of a statement to perhaps merit a temporary redirect/merge to the notable actor or the notable director's articles in a section discussing "planed projects".  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 10:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * alts:
 * principles:
 * subject:
 * subject:
 * WP:INDAFD: "Mammootty's Next" "Madhupal's Next"
 * WP:INDAFD: "Mammootty's Next" "Madhupal's Next"
 * WP:INDAFD: "Mammootty's Next" "Madhupal's Next"


 * Userfy temporarily until filming commences, as this planned-for-a-decade film project is getting a lot of coverage and is finally moving forward: Onlookers Media, Onlookers Media (2), Onlookers Media (3), Cinema Scoop Filmibeat (1) (Malayalam), Cinespider, Filmibeat (2), International Business Times, Indiaglitz, NetTV, and so many others. Currently available coverage will meet WP:NFF as soon as filming begins. Okay for a sourced paragraph in articles of Mammootty and Madhupal.   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 10:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Also as diligence shows that the film title will be Karnan this article requires re-naming to Karnan (2016 film).  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 11:14, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Userfy. This does seem to be a big name company within its own country. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 00:05, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The film don't have a producer yet, see the reports. The film meets the criteria only if the filming begins. There are other films that planned decades ago, like DC's Justice League. And the film's title is not "Karnan", its the character name, and the same name is registered for another film starring Prithviraj Sukumaran. It's in that reports mentioned above. The article is about a future project, not yet titled and not started production and don't have a producer, which implise not even the pre-production is started. And it owns a wiki article. WP:ATD doen't matter here, notability and coverage is not enough as there are other criteria for creating "film" articles. Charles Turing (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow  Even with its contributor missing it when he authored this, we do have a source stating the film's title. And in the face of the many sources discussing this topic, why are you unable to accept that we can simply userfy as a draft-in-progress OUT OF MAINSPACE until it meets inclusion criteria?  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 19:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This is a too early created promotional article. The film is untitled, where did you find the title in this source ? Please state it. Before taking other actions, we should make a conclusion in this. Charles Turing (talk) 07:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * How were you unable to read the lead sentence "...director R S Vimal’s magnum opus titled Karnan, with Prithviraj in the lead..." ???? "Promotional" is found in tone, not in our supplying sourcable information, else you could paint ALL of Wikipedia with that brush. And please, removing sourced content form an article to achieve your goal of deletion is not how we do things here. WHAT you nominated is far better sourced than what you left for others to review. That is not how true consensus is reached. Shame on you.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 23:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * So you still don't know nothing about this film, you are talking total nonsense. "...director R S Vimal’s magnum opus titled Karnan, with Prithviraj in the lead..." - This sentence is about "another film" titled Karnan, NOT the film we are discussing. Untitled Mammootty Madhupal Film is directed by Madhupal (NOT R.S Vimal) with Mammootty in lead (NOT Prithviraj). There are two upcoming films based on the historical character "Karnan", one is R. S. Vimal-Prithviraj film titled Karnan, which was officially launched last week by its cast and crew in Dubai and it is the costliest film in Malayalam made at a budget of ₹45 crore. After few days, reports came about a Madhupal-Mammootty film which is also based on the character "Karnan", which is not officially confirmed, untitled and which is what we are talking about. And I removed only unreliable sources from the article, anyone can check it. Now who should be shameful. I prefer reaching consensus with atleast someone who knows what he is talking about. Charles Turing (talk) 14:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, You got me digging further, and just a few hours/days ago the film's title was officially confirmed by Filmibeat (and others) to be Dharma Kshetram (2016 film). Now we have a new search term.   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 05:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * confirmed title:
 * lead:
 * director:
 * WP:INDAFD: "Dharma Kshetram movie"


 * Userfy: You should have done this early. It was titled only one day ago. But still don't deserve an article. Anyway, move and userfy it. Charles Turing (talk) 07:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Within the AFD process, an editor expressing an opinion should generally not be the one to act upon his own wishes to keep or delete or userfy. That should done by someone uninvolved.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 15:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


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