Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untitled seventh Weezer album


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus to delete. During the course of this AfD, the album title was announced, and the album itself has been covered in several reliable sources, thus disqualifying it from being labeled as WP:CRYSTAL. Toward the end of the discussion, apparently a couple of editors still held the opinion that it was too speculative for inclusion. However, there was no consensus to delete and those who favored keeping the article had stronger arguments and showed that there was coverage in reliable sources. Jamie  S93  be kind to newcomers 14:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Untitled seventh Weezer album

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Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Joe Chill (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Delete per WP:NALBUMS and WP:HAMMERTIME. - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 16:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC) The ground has shifted under this nomination because the title and release date of the album have been confirmed by reliable sources (e.g. ) and the article has been changed to reflect these developments. Since the basis for my earlier delete vote has evaporated, I am accordingly changing my !vote to keep. - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 22:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom and Simon Dodd. Rafablu88  17:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as a WP:NALBUMS vio. No title yet. Any info here can be, and is, easily presented in the artist's article. talking  birds  17:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete ^^^ JBsupreme (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep tracks are confirmed, and everything seems to be cited. All that is needed is the name and additional tracks/lengths.  Even the release date is stated. The Weak Willed 18:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep again, like the case of In Rainbows mentioned in WP:HAMMER, there's sufficient source information on the release date and other things about this album. The only things that haven't been announced is the title and the actual track listing. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 18:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, now that there's an album title and a first single sent out to the band's primary radio format, i'm changing my vote from Weak Keep to a full Keep. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 14:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. There isn't a lot of sourced information, and the tracklisting is anything but at this stage, but given that a release date has been announced which is only ten weeks away and that there already exists some coverage of the album, I don't see a benefit from deleting this, as there will be certainly be more and more coverage before long.--Michig (talk) 20:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We can create a proper article once said coverage exists, there is no deadline here. JBsupreme (talk) 01:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NALBUMS and WP:HAMMER. Release date by one (semi) reliable source. Only a partial track list. General lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Just removed several unreliable or SPS sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment You want significant coverage from reliable sources? here's an articles from MTV, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork Media and NME. All reliable sources. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 02:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And those just say untitled album.......no track listing, like we said. I wish Ten Pound Hammer would get around to writing WP:SLOBBERINGFANBOY.Niteshift36 (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is half of Wikipedia IS a fansite of some sort, especially catering to the late night Cartoon Network crowd. We must have a hundred articles on seiyus which fail WP:BLP miserably. JBsupreme (talk) 05:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You guys should look at Korn's ninth studio album's AFD. There are many vaild points up there. A release date is out there, and sooner or later the title is going to be released or leaked. Simply deleting this article and recreating it days or weeks later is pointless. The album is confirmed and sourced by many reliable sources. If an article only had the title and tracklist confirmed, but no release date, nothing about production, and nothing about lyrics, would you keep it? Things stated on this article are just as important as a title and tracklist. The Weak Willed 11:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that one out so I couold express why I think it should be deleted too. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. The Weak Willed 16:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, that Korn doesn't have a release date, and merely says that it's coming out eventually. That one I can see myself voting Delete on. Remember, I only voted Weak Keep on this AfD, as my big holdback from a regular or strong keep is the lack of a title and tracklisting. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 14:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Since this AFD started, we've gotten both a title and lead single from this album. --Guess Who (talk) 09:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * From a primary source.....and you've decided to change the title while the AfD is in progress. Niteshift36 (talk) 09:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. --Guess Who (talk) 16:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course you don't. Why should rules and policies apply to you? They're only for other people. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article now has reliable sources, and an official name. It wont be long it's start getting coverage in reliable third party sources, as the band is very notable. Suede67 (talk) 22:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. When we know more about the album we can make an article about it. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. As predicted, we now have both a title and a release date, and several examples of (at least semi-)significant coverage from Clash magazine, MTV, and NME. The album has been recorded. It exists. If it was never released it would probably still be considered notable as an unreleased album.--Michig (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Also for the people that say it fails CRYSTAL, there are reliable sources, so that arguement doesn't hold. The Weak Willed 12:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: The album's title has now been announced & the article has been moved to that title...Raditude. There's been plenty of significanct secondary source coverage of this album's recording & release plans from major music publications, certainly enough to pass WP:MUSIC standards. This is one of those cases where plenty of sourced material exists even though details like the tracklist, cover (& up until today, the title) have yet to be announced. Note the sources in the article: NME, Pitchfork, MTV. I might have !voted delete at the time of nomination on the basis of WP:HAMMER, but at this point doing so would be inappropriate as the artice has been significantly improved. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Due to the recent change of events, I don't think anyone would have any problems with keeping the article now. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 22:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.