Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unwrapped steel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy close. Why are we still discussing this? This page was redirected to steel back on the 31st. NAC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Unwrapped steel

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I believe there is no type of steel known as "unwrapped steel". The article may be referring to wire-wrapped cabling. I think this may originate from a bad news release. They might mean "placed one after another, the steel would be x long". A search of google scholar reveals no information on this "type" of steel. User A1 (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This had already been made into a redirect, not an article. It is useful as a redirect because the term "unwrapped steel" is in use on the Internet. The purpose of the redirect is two-fold: (1) to get readers to the right article, and (2) to prevent accidental re-creation of the article that was formerly at this title. Fg2 (talk) 02:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Steel and keep redirect]] - Before the redirect, there are several article links that would benefit the steel page when merged to the appropriate section. Turlo Lomon (talk) 02:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect. And can someone give an authoritative statement about what it means - please? &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 07:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This might prove tricky, as I believe it is trying to find a definition for a term that may not have a technical meaning. For example the term "unwrapped" does not occur anywhere in the book "Bainite in steels" . I can find more *examples* of it not occurring in the coming days, but I don't think I can find an example of it occurring, thus making the request for an authoritative statement difficult to satisfy from a logic perspective (It can only be proved to exist, not to not exist, without an exhaustive search of every reference work ever ;) ). As for preventing recreation an admin could "salt" the page to prevent recreation. I don't like the idea of keeping the redirect, 'cause like it or not people use Wiki as a semi-authoritative, informal reference in and of itself, thus this page lends credence to the term, which as the term is not defined it becomes a form of unverifiable information. User A1 (talk) 08:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Additionally I propose that the references that were in the page, (1) and (3) (edit: 4) are about another topic all together (wire-wound steel cabling, not unwrapped steel) and are thus invalid. The only reference that, in my opinion, stands valid after scrutiny is the design page, which seems has no technical content. 08:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit -- struck out (3) and replaced with 4. Also the building article seems to be quite generic. User A1 (talk) 15:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Article references - from the history of the article so we have everything for discussion in one place. Turlo Lomon (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A CURSORY OVERVIEW OF THE RESEARCH PROJECTS ACCOMPLISHED IN RECENT PAST and ONGOING University of Akron Retrieved August 30, 2008
 * The ambitious design has called for 45,000t of unwrapped steel knitted in an intricate open-weave structure to form the gentle curving basis of the stadium. The final building will house 91,000 spectators, alongside shops, restaurants, cafes, bars and meeting spaces. - Design Build Network Retrieved August 30, 2008
 * The last straws: Herzog &amp; de Meuron's Beijing Olympic building - Building Retrieved August 30, 2008
 * Filtering of NDT signals obtained from wrapped steel cables Retrieved August 30, 2008


 * Delete It looks to me like a term thrown out casually by the Beijing National Stadium promoters, but which is not actually a term of art, or in common use, in any field of engineering.  It's just a weird use of the adjective "unwrapped", not a type of steel or a recognizable type of architecture.   18.4.2.3 (talk) 16:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment For some reason this has not been processed. Personally I would prefer if the comments from before my statement about the quality of the referencing confirm their stance on this AfD, on the chance that the presented case has altered their stance. I will post this to the AfD discussion, in case I haven't used the system properly. User A1 (talk) 14:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

List of non-occurrences

 * Google scholar - not here. Only in reference to wire-wound (wrapped) steel cables or piano strings.
 * Bainite in steels (reference below)