Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Up The Hill (JJS) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 05:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Up The Hill (JJS)
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Fails WP:NOTE, recreated previously deleted article. User234 (talk) 08:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Its not previously deleted article, try to check if there is Articles for deletion/Up The Hill; Result=None. Thank You.

 jjska®ate 空手| 道®   01:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - the article title is bizarre, and the idea that any school magazine from an institution as little known as this one seems to be, deserves an article, is equally so. ╟─ Treasury Tag ► contribs ─╢ 09:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Student publications at elementary schools are generally not notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Stong Keep. Student publications at elementary schools level are generally very notable in the Philippines nowadays. It even have school publication contests for all elementary school papers recognized by Department of Education (Philippines), the screening starts from the regional level and the highlights and awarding is done annually during National Schools Press Conference the gathering of all the brightest young campus writers in the country. 1  Hoy! Pinoy ako.  00:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * — Pinoynewbreed (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep - Elementary and High School publications in the Philippines are within the scope of Sec. 1 Rule IX of Republic Act 7079 also known as Campus Journalism Act of 1991 wherein the publication and the writers have given the rights to propagate the freedom of expressions, established student publication likewise given the chance to join and compete in yearly Division, Regional and National level competitions in the Department of Education (Philippines) National Schools Press Conference the governing body of elementary and secondary education in the country.  空手道®   "avec les mains ou les pieds" 00:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * — 空手道 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.  —Bluemask (talk) 02:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough nontrivial coverage from secondary sources. The existence of acts and laws do nothing. I'm registered at the NSO, am I notable? – Howard  the   Duck  02:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Also delete JJS Publication and JJS School Paper, which redirect to it. Dori (Talk • Contribs) 22:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * How about the just-recently created redirect "Up The Hill"? – Howard  the   Duck  13:36 (PHT), March 3, 2009
 * That one redirects to Jack and Jill School, not Up The Hill (JJS). If we were going to get delete all the redirects to Jack and Jill School and/or Castleson High, here's that list: Aaron Lubrico, Bacolod Karate, Castleson Gazette, Catleson Gazette, Children Karate, Children Martial Arts, Elan Delfin, Jack & Jill School, Jack&Jill, James Guanzon, JJS Karate Dojo, JJS Karate, JJS-CH, JJS-PHHC, JJS, Jjskarate, Karate for High School, Karate Kid 1, Karate Kid I, Karate Kid1, Karate kids, Karatedo Kid, KarateKid, Mengullo, Randy, PKF Karate, Randy Mengullo, Razhel Mengullo, Seth Jego Balibalos, Super Karate Kids, Up The Hill, and UpTheHill. Yummmm.... can't you just smell the spam? Dori (Talk • Contribs) 21:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: I apologize for that mistakes. I taught redirects are like magic words that once click it it will show up your acticles. I'm very sorry for that and I will not do it again since you made me realized of my shortcomings. As a beginner I'm trying to learn from all the veteran wikipedians here. About those kids, they are all karate players of JJS. I try to make an article about them since they are actively competing in the national level but my references are short. Regarding Up The Hill, its more than 5 months that it a redirect to Jack and Jill School and this days I try to separate the article but I fail again.THANKS!! jjska®ate 空手| 道®   06:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Minor publication that hasn't received coverage to establish notability. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 01:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - added new additional sources. jjska®ate 空手| 道®   05:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All of the new sources mention the school paper "in passing." Like " won in ." It has to be nontrivial coverage, like a news report on the paper per se, not on their achievements. Like if there had been coverage about the difficulties of publication like what happened to The Philippine Collegian, or the paper exposed anomalies such as what happened to Mark Chua and The Varsitarian, etc.
 * P.S., in several newspaper AFDs in the past, someone mentioned that any newspaper becomes automatically notable if it is read by more than 5,000 readers. Dunno if this fits the bill. – Howard  the   Duck  05:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that info. Our school focus or offer elementary and secondary education and we cannot compete or we are far behind compare to other big schools esp. to those universities. Likewise, our staff writers wrote only basic campus journalism which is suited for their age and capabilities. Our population is only 1,500 students added with faculty and staff, parents, brothers and sisters and some friends and relatives for sure I can guarantee to hit the mark of 5,000 readers. jjska®ate 空手| 道®   08:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case this won't make it. The only elementary school papers that I can think of that might be notable are MaSci's "The Nucleus" and several other papers featured in one of those campus journalism textbooks. I dunno how to come up with the 5,000 number, though. Is it primary readers? The intended audience? Those who pay?
 * Or you can try this and other JJS articles at WikiPilipinas. They're more than happy to inflate their article count. – Howard  the   Duck  08:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Clarification: It must have at least 5,000 circulation, that is there should be more than 5,000 copies or more per issue. See this. – Howard  the   Duck  08:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * NOTED. Thanks for the advice. jjska®ate 空手| 道®   09:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, for the same reasons as the other JJS-related articles that have been found and removed. How many articles about their school are these guys going to churn out? yandman  09:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - Added Up The Hill Logo and some references. jjska®ate 空手| 道®   08:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * snowball keep This article can be improved in due time because it's a student newspaper not a commercial one. Why delete when we can develop it? For sure it will be very significant to many students and in a short moment it can establish notability since they are very active and achieving nowadays.&mdash; MMaAsia  Sambon Hajime!!  05:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * — Mmaasia (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Snowball? Have you read WP:SNOW? I know you guys are proud of the school you go to (or work for), but Wikipedia isn't here to be filled with articles on your teachers (Randy Mengullo, Miguel Villanueva, Razhel Mengullo, James Guanzon, Aaron Lubrico ...) and student organisations. And notability has to be asserted now, not in the future. yandman  08:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Its just a matter of contribution in wikipedia which I believed it's for everyboby, right???? No personal attacks. If you don't like my articles or don't like my opinions, then better leave it there or suggest so that everybody will learn from it. Don't try to critized my work. It's a discussion page not a sermon page.&mdash; MMaAsia  Sambon Hajime!!  08:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I don't know those other persons you've mentioned. I only knew Mr. Randy Mengullo, who used to be my trainer during high school years and I'm far old/matured enough compared to those kids and for the record I nominated Villanueva for deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miguel_Villanueva. I just extend a hand to my fellow martial artists and kababayan. Have a nice day ahead.&mdash; MMaAsia  Sambon Hajime!!  09:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.