Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Up to the Mountains and Down to the Countryside (novel)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:36, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Up to the Mountains and Down to the Countryside (novel)

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No clear indication of notability  Nott Nott  talk &#124;contrib 23:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. North America1000 23:05, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The publication of a novel is exciting, but fans of this book need to be aware that there would have to be things like reviews or feature articles in scholarly journals or in edited, general circulation publications (i.e. major newspapers) before a novel can have a Wikipedia article. I could find none.  Reviewers searching for notability should be are that "up to the Mountains and Down to the Countryside" was a Mao Zedong- era slogan. E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:37, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Kirkus review is unusable since it was done via Kirkus Indie, where you can purchase a review from the site. Despite the site's claims of being unbiased, there's no way that a paid review can be considered a neutral source for Wikipedia's purposes. (And there's been some talk that Kirkus itself has some serious issues with reliability.) I'll see if other sources exist, but I wanted to throw this one out there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything to show that this book is notable per NBOOK. There's just not anything out there that isn't primary in one way or another. On a side note, the publisher is sort of interesting, although forum threads like this one do set off warning vibes. That's all an aside though and mostly just something interesting about things. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:50, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. The novel has been selected as one of Kirkus's Indie Books of the Month for January 2016 - does that help at all? Will post a reference to that when it comes out (probably in January). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qc418 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. The problem with Kirkus Indie is that it requires payment before they will do or write anything about a book or author. In other words, in order to be a book of the month they had to pay for Kirkus's services in the first place. It just wouldn't be seen as a non-partial source since it'd be in their best interest to promote something that they were paid to review. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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