Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upper State New York University USNYU


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 12:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Upper State New York University USNYU

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No WP:RS that this university ever existed. Challenged sources removed by author (claims of accreditation). Court reference previously found to be a foreign source (previous creation attempts). &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(talk)  12:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete (as Fake) - not exactly a hoax, but New York law requires licensing for the use of the word "university". Trump University was aborted for the same reason. Bearian (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I declined the speedy delete as a blatant hoax because, although I suspected it was fake, it wasn't quite blatant enough for me to speedy delete it. added this reference to the article. I don't blame them for adding it. I saw it too, but I suspect it's a fake press release despite the fact that it is "verified". Notice that the location of the school in the press release says Viet Nam. I found that kind of odd. Anyway, I'm glad Loriendrew nominated it for deletion so the community can evaluate whether it's real and, even if so, whether it's sufficiently notable to keep.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Fake? So because the press release is from VIET NAM, it's fake? Furthermore, the school and location does not say it's in VIET NAM. It appears that the press release was created by someone from VIET NAM. Linkedin does have some people who are former students of this school https://www.linkedin.com/edu/alumni?name=Upper+State+New+York+University&trk=prof-edu-school-name
 * Comment Article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabdkc123 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Follow-up The last time this article was created is was not found at MSA. Institutions no longer accredited by them are listed, so this school should be listed as a past member. I did notice that the statement was removed. Linkedin is by far not a reliable source. The bankruptcy court has no results on the university (the citation is to the southern district of NY's main page). Lastly the PRLog citation added states the school location is in VN, not that the PR is from there. It is also the only mention of this institution at the "log". No results at JSTORE, scholar, books, news (above search links). For a PhD granting school this place has no academic footprint.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(talk)  00:28, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I understand that your personal opinion as to linkedin not being a reliable source, but my point was that the University had to have existed if former students listed this school on their resumes. Furthermore, you can't add a fake school on your resume as potential employers will check to confirm. Although there's not a lot of references, the article was built on information that was available. It's kind of hard to pull information from a defunct university. Please note that linkedin is a public website just like wikipedia. Millions of people rely on linked to look at resumes of potential employees. So I wouldn't say that it's not reliable.

Have a great day.
 * Delete: I prodded this, but am glad we have an AFD to settle the issue more finally, as there have been occasional attempts to get this article up for a few years now.  Perhaps this organization did exist in some fashion, as a few linked in profiles reference it, which make me think this would have been a fly-by-night diploma mill.  But there is no reliable sourcing to verify it at all.  I posted on the school's alleged facebook alumni page  back in August after there was a prior attempt to create an article.  I posted this completely made up comment, "Old Upper State! I remember playing ultimate frisbee on De Peyster Plaza, those were the days! And the jeers at the basketball games! Upper State Upper State Yes We Can! Columbia & Pace In the Garbage Can!!"   When I noted that the page owner had "liked" my comment a few days ago, I also saw he had created this article.  Sadly, Upper State needs to go in the garbage can.--Milowent • hasspoken  05:18, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I can't find independent evidence of this school's having existed, and one of the references - to the Australian Dictionary of National Biography - does not include Bryce McDonald, the person supposedly referenced. If it did exist, it has not achieved notability. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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