Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upstanding youth


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The result was   delete. Kevin (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Upstanding youth

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I initally deleted this as a speedy deletion. However, this may have been hasty, there is a credible assertion of notability, so I've restored it. This is a procedural nomination. Ged UK  08:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete some references would be good with this article, but I couldn't find any that weren't MySpace, Twitter etc. Unless some good sources are added I think it should be deleted DRosin (talk) 10:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Deletion isn't a death sentence. No salting here, but also zero references, given ample opportunity. Even my band has some local references. Shadowjams (talk) 12:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The "credible" assertion of notability is the Hawaiian Music Awards, which you'll note doesn't have a page, and upon searching (on wiki) doesn't have a ready answer either. What exactly indicated notability? Shadowjams (talk) 12:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete I can find no mention of them wiining the Hawaiian Music Awards (HMA) at Google News Archive, and all the references to them appear to be at sources which would not meet WP:RS/WP:IS. According to their facebook page, the albums both won the HMA award - yet I can find no evidence of this. I do not think that the HMA would qualify as "a major music award", I can find no evidence that any of these albums have charted, or that they meet any of the other criteria outlined at WP:BAND. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is about a band that would appear to not meet WP:MUSIC.  (This, however, should be more obvious from the nomination than it is.) - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The Hawaiian Music Awards site doesn't list previous winners. I found a site that does list them, but the award the 2002 album allegedly won didn't exist until the next year apparently. And even then, the reliability of that site and the notability of the awards themselves are questionable. Reach Out to the Truth 17:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at the site given by Reach Out to the Truth, I find the following:
 * 7th (2004): Punk/SKA Album of the Year RECORDING: Kam Highway Catharsis ARTIST: Upstanding Youth
 * 10th (2007): Ska Upstanding Youth Still
 * 12th (2009): Nomination: Rock Album Nominees: A Sense of Urgency (Upstanding Youth).
 * However, going by the notes on the 10th Awards, these are people's choice awards given to the best music recordings and artists of (year). The winners were selected by public online vote. These awards are not peer-awarded or profession-awarded, but public-awarded. I see no indication that voting was verified by an independent source. Also, there are no details in the 2004 and 2007 of other nominees for the award - and there is no way to ascertain if there were other nominees. In some years, there was only one nominee for a category, and in later years these were given an "honorary" award. Indeed, if you look at 2006, the first 3 positions for awards were given. I do not feel that this award is particularly notable (or reliable). --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this band. Joe Chill (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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