Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upstate New York's Statehood Movement


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. Merging can be discussed on the article's talk page. --Core desat  03:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Upstate New York's Statehood Movement

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Original research. As mentioned on the talk page, there's little to no evidence that this is anything other than idle chatter.  VT hawkeye talk to me 03:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge with New York State article. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 03:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete no real notability beside one blog. Seems to be a violation of Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day -- Koweja 04:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, googling shows only a few mentions chiefly of the form "we aren't proposing secession, but ..." Generally it is New York City that is proposed to secede from Upstate, not vice versa. --Dhartung | Talk 06:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's a response to the New York City secession movement. Here's a Public Policy Institute of New York State analysis of it: "Could New York Let Upstate Be Upstate?".  Here's a NY Mag article that, though focused on NYC secession, talks about the counter movement: The Independent Republic of New York.  Although, if there's a good article elsewhere on the "New York City-Upstate New York Rift", I would support this simply being merged there.  It's not adequate to just merge it with Upstate New York.--JayHenry 22:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with New York City secession As is the article only supplies a single blog site reference, while apparently most of the references on this subject involve the New York City secession article. I'd suggest merging the verifiable parts of this article into the NYC secession article, provided that proper references can be cited (JayHenry above suggested some possibilities, perhaps). Dugwiki 22:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, add more citations to the article please. Smee 10:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Delete As currently written, this is an essay not an encyclopedia article. If there are reliable sources, content can be merged into either New York state or the New York City secession (if indeed it is a reaction to it). --Polaron | Talk 01:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Has anyone initiating or pursuing this deletion provided notice to the creator and significant editors of this article? This is considered "civil" under WP guidelines, yet almost never occurs. This is something that should be done by those seeking deletion. If no one currently involved in this discussion does so I will provide this notice tomorrow if I am able. Edivorce 17:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Mrld 21:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Define an encylopedia article. There are lots of articles like this on Wikipedia. This article has to to with an active movement, so therefore it should be kept.


 * Keep or merge with New York City secession movement article. Possibly rename the merger to Separation of Upstate and Downstate New York or something similar. The two articles are essentially the same; the difference is merely which entity would end up with a different name should secession take place. James Callahan 01:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to New York City secession movement per Dugwiki. Effectively a namecheck for the idea will do, so more of a smerge. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.