Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upstate New York statehood movement


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge and redirect to New York City secession. The page is mostly unsourced but sources produced during the AfD demonstrate that this is a genuine movement and I shall include those in the merged article. TerriersFan (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Upstate New York statehood movement
Article does not provide any references for the supposed secessionist movement it purports to discuss. Indeed, there is no evidence that an Upstate New York statehood movement exists or has ever existed. Poshua (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

For note, this article was nominated for AfD in 2/2007, and no consensus was reached because some users suggested the page could be more properly sourced or merged, however there has been no change since. Poshua (talk) 02:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Neutral: Report on Secession, Blog on it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctrl build (talk • contribs) 02:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC) \
 * Merge/redirect to New York City secession. This isn't actually a separate movement -- in fact the majority of the support for the split seems to come from upstate, and the only legislation that would effect it seems to have been a longstanding pet bill of Randy Kuhl. Of course, the bill would leave the name "New York" on the city plus surrounding counties and give the name West New York to Upstate, but it still amounts to the same thing. NYT and a minor mention in ISBN 0823221423 are about all the substnative coverage I can find. --Dhartung | Talk 11:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to New York City secession as above, as they basically amount to the same thing. Lankiveil (talk) 12:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Redirect per above. That's a great idea. I have heard of it being a New Yorker (although I know this would not meet WP:N). It is a movement that exists and worth mentioning. Although the lack of cites in this article does bother me a bit. Lazulilasher (talk) 14:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge (with redirect, of course) to New York City secession. Two sides of the same coin.  Besides the citations above, I've seen newspapers and political propaganda which gave substantial coverage to the topic.  None is in my reach at the moment (workplace).  I'm in John "Randy" Kuhl's state district and it's not the subject of much real debate or practical discussion of consequences, just used as an excuse to bitch about somebody else telling us what to do, exploited for its emotional appeal rather than being considered as a serious proposal. Barno (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment how about Division of New York state into two states ? IT removes bias towards NYC or Upstate NY as the focus of the secessionist movement. 70.51.8.231 (talk) 11:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


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