Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urus-Martan ambush


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep (non-admin). Gary King (talk) 20:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Urus-Martan ambush

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Notability, small skirmish deserves an article? There were an every-day occurrence TheFE ARgod  (Ч) 14:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is sourced to at least two published sources, China Daily and the BBC.  I don't know of any any notability guidelines that make any particular military engagement so inconsequential as to deny coverage even if it is verifiable.  Note also that this is part of a template on the Second Chechen War, and also that we have another article about a second skirmish at Urus-Martan, where a helicopter crashed, apparently after coming under fire.  The detail of coverage of minor incidents in Chechnya may be the result of ethno-political axegrinding; I don't know.  But so long as the articles themselves are reasonably objective and verifiable, I don't care. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOT. 2005 Urus-Martan Mi-8 crash (aka "2nd Urus-Martan") is equally unnotable, as are most if not all of the other engagements listed under the Second Chechen War. More Afd's should be forthcoming. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect all sub-sub articles (such as this one) in Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War to appropriate year articles like Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2004). These incidents do not merit separate articles. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —Nick Dowling (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 *  Weak delete A minor skirmish in a large war isn't notable in isolation. Can this be merged into something? --Nick Dowling (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Already merged into Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2004). See May 17-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 00:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've just upped my vote to delete. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Agree completely with Nick. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you mean 'weak delete' rather than 'weak keep' then? --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge to Second Chechen War Never going to develop, borderline notability....merge the content into the main article, only needs a sentence or too, I think. Narson (talk) 22:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And now that has been done...Delete Narson (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep . With regard to Clarityfriend, something is not news just because it's covered by the news.  With regard to Smerdis, I completely agree that the mainstream coverage of this battle (by name) is sufficient to WP:N.  I think the article itself needs to be edited to make its notability more prevelent, or could be merged into another article, as suggested by Narson, and would strongly support either.  However, I can't support Delete on grounds of Notability, which is this AfD, when Notability has been sufficiently established. --BizMgr (talk) 23:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Now that's it's been rolled into the other article, I'm ambivelent about keeping it. It meets the letter of WP:N, but I do think it's better as a merged article than a free-standing one.  --BizMgr (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Second Chechen War per Clarityfiend. BusterD (talk) 14:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * no! to Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2004)-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 21:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.