Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Usenet II

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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 06:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Usenet II
No merit to the content. External link site appears to confirm there isn't any real plan - looks like a homepage, which according to the time stamp hasn't been updated in over 4 years. delete lots of issues | leave me a message 12:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Expand the Usenet II people were very active on Usenet for quite a while, their activities may well end up being very relevant to Wikipedia as an example of protection strategies that failled to stop abuse. --Gorgonzilla 13:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The USENET II network was an ambitious project of several longstanding news admins including Russ Allbery, Usenet admin at Stanford University, and for a brief period when the spam situation on Usenet, particularly the classic "Big 8" groups, looked absolutely dire, it seemed like the only way forward would be to completely replace the existing machinery that allowed unauthenticated injection of material into the system to one that had "sound sites" (mutually validating peers) and only permitted posting from a valid authenticated email address.  It enjoyed some limited success, and the "sound site" concept pioneered there has been adopted by small-scale closed networks that use the NNTP (Usenet) transport.  I'll expand a bit with whatever I can come up with.  --Tony Sidaway Talk  13:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I found 966 Google hits for this term, the usage across results was uneven. Some may have referred to an unformed idea, while others used it purely as an expression of hope for unknown salvation. Whatever lies at the core of this term, it receives at most minimum attention.  lots of issues  | leave me a message 14:02, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You're looking in the wrong place. A search on "usenet-ii" in Google Groups (the Usenet archives) gives 5770 hits. You get even more if you go for usenet2 but some of those references are to the kind of vague handwavy notions you peak of. In any case Usenet II did operate for a while and was seen as a possible way forward if the spam situation got worse.  In practice evidently the spammers realised they were choking Usenet, decided not to kill the goose that laid the golden egg, and ramped back their operations so as to avoid a catastrophe, so the pressure driving Usenet II project was released and it withered. --Tony Sidaway Talk  14:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep as per Tony Sidaway. ~⌈Markaci⌋ 2005-08-21 T 07:23:16 Z
 * Keep. N (t/c) 21:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. I've heard of it Bluap 10:09, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
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