Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/User:IndigoGenius/Micronation

User:IndigoGenius/Micronation
IndigoGenius has restored frequently deleted content on a user subpage, saying on his main userpage: "This is My Encyclopedia. I don't care what you think about my articles, and I don't care even if they are never published in the standard Wiki. I am my own Admin, and I don't need those human rejects. Geniuses don't learn much from others anyway, but mostly from themselves, their own experiences, intuitions, and research. So here folks you will find articles that belong in a Separate Volume, the volume being User:IndigoGenius/Novel_Subject." This violates the policies on userpages, specifically the one that states that using your user subpages as personal webspace is inappropriate. Snowspinner 22:15, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * Which policy does this page specifically violate? Where is that policy written? When was it passed? Please provide a link, not more circular discussion. Zocky 13:57, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Also: "I don't work for Wikipedia anymore because they are a waste of time. Nobody is paying you for your time and effort here, and to make matters worse, nobody ultimately appreciates it either. Wikipedia has thousands of users and they are all volunteers, so even if you know how to make an H-bomb, these folks couldn't care less.". Suggest moving to geocities.com, don't hit the door on the way out, mind the H-Bomb by the bins. Ianb 23:17, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC) (a one person cabal).
 * Oy. Move that last bit to BJAODN and delete the rest.  RickK`
 * Blatant disregard for established Wikipedia policy: Delete. Spectatrix 23:53, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)
 * Which policy does this page disregard? Where is that policy written? When was it passed? Please provide a link. Zocky 13:57, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ambivalenthysteria 00:21, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Contributor cannot distinguish fact from fiction and disregards established policy.--Gene_poole 02:21, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete and bomb his nation back to the stone age. Seriously, he needs some banning. - UtherSRG 03:29, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. This guy has not done anything here except promote a personal agenda while griping all the while about how horrible this site is.  Let's put an end to it here and now. - Lucky 6.9 03:51, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, and ban user for abusing Wikipedia resources. -Sean Curtin 06:08, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Users have been permanently blocked for a lot less abuse of/disregard for the system than this. Delete and permanently block user. -- Graham  &#9786; | Talk 12:18, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * He calls it 'My encyclopaedia'? Either send him the bill for server space and bandwidth, or delete it. If you don't like Wikipedia, you're free to leave at any time, and you free to take your data with you. Average Earthman 13:29, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. If you don't like what he says on his user page, don't look at it. User pages are not expected to conform to same standards as articles or Wikipedia:. If you think he's comments are genuinely offensive, remove them. SO, he keeps his pet version of one article in his namespace. So what? Jeez. Zocky 13:34, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * You're wrong, Zocky. User pages ARE expected to conform to standards.  Not the same ones as articles, but there are standards.  And using Wikipedia space in order to run your own encyclopedia is not an acceptable practice.  RickK 19:51, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, let me spell this out:
 * User subpages with versions of articles are commonly used as scratch pads.
 * User subpages are not commonly touched, let alone deleted, unless they contain advertising, copyright violations or are really offensive, none of which is true for this page.
 * This page is not linked from anywhere but his user page, so it's not disruptive to the encyclopaedia in any way.
 * Also (this goes for Snowspinner, not RickK):
 * If you have problems with his page calling his collection of subpages (1 so far) "his encyclopaedia" talk to him about it or change it. This is a wiki.
 * If you have problems with his behaviour elsewhere or with people he calls friends, come out and discuss it openly with him and others. Don't misuse VFD to get at users you find problematic. Zocky 21:37, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm sure Mr. Genius, being a genius and all, and so far above the rest of us that we ought to be using his farts as aftershave, will be able to identify the common phrase containing these words: door, through, ass, out. Denni &#9775; 02:13, 2004 Jul 30 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a wiki hosting service. If he's such a genius, he should be able to set up his own Wiki where he can write whatever he wants. Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998;


 * Now everybody hang on to your hats here. Despite the inflammatory comment Snowspinner has quoted above, IndigoGenius has a single -- one -- sub page, which is not materially different from Micronation in the main namespace. What Snowspinner hasn't quoted is the header that introduces Indigo's screed, and which makes it far more forgivable: "This Area is Indigo Brainstorm Zone". So he wrote some inflammatory (and for all we know, tongue-in-cheek) rhetoric under that header, which Snowspinner quotes. Maybe IndigoGenius is a bit wacky, but he hardly seems malicious.


 * So what we have here is not Indigo's own website, encyclopedia, coup d'etat, or micronation: it's simply the guy's version of a sandbox. A single sandbox page. Just as most wiki users have a sandbox in which to work out articles or techniques (one of mine involves table formatting) for stuff they want to work on but realize is not yet ready for the main namespace.


 * And for a single sandbox page -- and a single admittedly inflammatory introductory paragraph, the usually fair minded Graham &#9786; | Talk wants to permanently ban the poor guy?  UtherSRG jokes "bomb his nation back to the stone age", and seriously recommends banning? Ambivalenthysteria, who has her own hilarious parody on her user page, User:Ambivalenthysteria/top_sekrit_sysop_kabal wants to delete it? Lighten up folks, lighten up. This is supposed to be a fun project, remember, not constant knife-sharpening and arguing and banning. Lighten up.


 * We gain nothing by being so heavy-handed as to delete somebody's sandbox, and it can't take up much more bandwidth that, say, Snowspinner's own "evidence" against Avala, also a user subpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Snowspinner/Avala_Evidence (and also not ready for prime time, in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there). Let's try to spend more time on articles in the main namespace, and less time trying to police -- and politicize -- other users' personal pages.


 * This need to police others' personal areas strikes me as similar to rifling through the papers on a co-worker's desk, and seems as friendly. Lay off, and live and let live. -- orthogonal 21:21, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * "I don't work for Wikipedia anymore because they are a waste of time." "This is My Encyclopedia." Doesn't look like an innocent sandbox page to me. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 23:28, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * KEEP When did we start telling people what they could put on their user pages?  If IndigoGenius has a problem with the main wiki, I say let him write as many articles in his space as he wants.  There is nothing here that contravenes any policy I found: related to the encyclopedia, not advertising, not copyvio, not offensive, not personal webspace.  If he ever gets to a high enough number of such articles to be of concern (which I doubt), then it is time to think about a policy saying how many subpages/diskspace/whatever each user is allowed, and not sooner.    The Steve 00:08, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep/Ignore: It's a user page.  If IndigoGenius actually acts on these dangerous ideas and does something to harm the Wikipedia, he should face sanction.  If he ceases to contribute edits and yet adds bulk to his user pages, then he's using Wikipedia for a webhost and should have his pages deleted.  Griping about Wikipedia and Wikipedians on his user pages is different, first, and the pages, as user pages that do not advocate criminal acts nor rally disruptive behavior nor advertise, just don't belong on VfD.  I do try to vote by silence, but the amount of vitriol involved here is just out of bounds.  If folks want to follow IndigoGenius around and watch him for bad behavior, that's not a VfD matter.  Geogre 12:52, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. Users pages are users pages. - XED . talk .stalk.mail. csb  11:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)