Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Utah Mormon English


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Western American English.  Sandstein  08:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Utah Mormon English

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The article is about a dialect that judging by its own article content doesn't actually exist. There's no notable feature that isn't a more general feature of Mormon English but specifically Utah based and common across Mormons within Utah There doesn't need to be an article about everything that people might have thought existed but upon further research found that it doesn't. Wikipedia is not Snopes Mèþru (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, but move to Utah English (which redirects here). Utah English is studied: . Pikavoom (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this dialect is declining and the article mentions decline with age as a central factor. No unique phonetic features of English in Utah have been found. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Wikipedia has always had articles on regional dialects, and ethnic or geographic variations on language, especially within the United States where settlers arrived with their own languages and over the years developed an amalgamated dialect in a given state or region. Some of which are dying out, or have already vanished. It is important as an encyclopedia to preserve information about them. So far as I know, it's not Wikipedia policy to delete any article based on, "oh, well ... that's dying out, so we no longer need the information." — Maile  (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge to Western American English: To repeat my words at Talk:Utah Mormon English: A great deal of research has been done, yes, but here's what all that research has revealed: very little about uniqueness in Utah. ... If anything, Utah English perfectly aligns to Western American English, with only one or two hairs out of place... and, in fact, only out of place in a minority of Utah speakers. And even those minority features appear for the most part throughout the Western U.S. So what exactly is "Utah English"? (A similar problem/debate, btw, exists with the page English in New Mexico, which is why we settled upon that somewhat strange article title.) In a perfect world, the name of this article would be "Research on Utah English", since that's what it's actually about. But what the research has actually revealed is nothing consistent or cohesive enough for us to call "Utah English" in the same sense as New York City English, Pittsburgh English, or even emerging California Englishes. Wolfdog (talk) 19:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Western American English. The studies reveal this is not really a distinct topic. There is a very seperate issue that a whole slew of words have meanings within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that are unique or non-standard from "stake house" to "Proselyting" to "sacrament meeting" to a whole slew of abbreviations like BYC, MTC and EQP, and there is probably more. However it is not really a comprehensive language and I am not sure we have the type of reliable 3rd party sourcing needed to demonstrate it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This article says it all "No unique phonetic features of English in Utah have been found". It does not in any way address my use of words comments above, which form a complex set of issues. My grandmother was a Whitney, Idaho-born person who was clearly culturally English. At least 3 of her grandparents were immigrants from England, her father's parents having immigrated after their marriage not long before her birth, and huge amounts of her cultural and world outlook were shaped fully be her being such. She was a very participant member of The Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, among other things being a temple worker in the Oakland Temple for over 20 years. I never noticed this alleged irregular use of the to do verb.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The article shows even less evidence that any linguistic issue it actually discusses varries by religion. If it is kept, per its own terminology it should be renamed to Utah members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints English, unless we want to incorporate text explaining how members of the FLDS Church, the AUB and other polygamist groups, as well as followers of Denver Snuffler also examplify this lingustic trait.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zoozaz1  talk 17:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Western American English - the article doesn't list any variations that can be attributed to anything more than normal regional variation, possibly excepting a few weird details (eg. Deseret alphabet) that aren't enough for a separate article but excellent for a subsection in another article. -- a lad insane  (channel two)  02:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Western American English. In order to establish a regional variety of a language, one needs isoglosses surrounding the region. Authoritative sources like The Atlas of North American English show none that sets Utah apart. Nardog (talk) 02:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Western American English - as noted, nothing here to establish notability or even existence of this article concept. Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:48, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to Western American English, not notable enough Dwscomet (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.