Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uthman Abu Qahafa


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The result was   keep. Following information provided by DGG that the earlier "delete" opinions could not take into account.  Sandstein  06:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Uthman Abu Qahafa

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Non-notable person from Islamic history Raziman T V's Alternate account (Talk - Contribs) 13:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I suggest we get an expert in here. This guy is the grandfather of Muhammed's wife. He's the father of the first person other than Muhammed and his wife to be a Muslim... the same guy who wrote the Koran. I don't know enough about Islam to know what he means to them, but I need to hear it from an Islamic scholar that he's non-notable before I'll !vote to delete this. - Richard Cavell (talk) 14:18, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  —Raziman T V's Alternate account (Talk - Contribs) 15:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete One-line article. We have no article about Mozes' grandfather also, so delete ASAP. Debresser (talk) 18:25, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We do have an article about Moses' grandfather. As said above, this is the kind of topic that needs expert input. Holly25 (talk) 20:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Even if Wikipedia has an article about Moses' grandfather. His only notability isn't that he is Moses' grandfather. Armbrust (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Given the apparent sparsity of information, would a merge/redirect to Abu Bakr (his son) be appropriate? --Sainge.spin (talk) 05:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep after info from DGG and Holly25. Notable figure with sufficient information for a stub at least. I hope someone develops this into more than a list of facts and events. --Sainge.spin (talk) 05:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Father to  Abu Bakr, one of the most important and famous figures in world history as well as the history of religions;  we can probably classify him as a head of state, thus making him father to a head of state,  and we generally do include such close relatives. I am not qualified to search Arabic sources, but considering the understandably immense amount of scholarship on the founding of their religion,  there must be a good deal of discussion. The one relevant book in GBooks, Husain, S. Athar. The Glorious Caliphate. Lucknow: Academy of Islamic Research and Publications, 1974, covers him on over a dozen pages . (there are probably more under other transliterations)  Another example of our cultural bias, which I am beginning to think of as cultural blindness.   Given the comment on Moses, it's a blindness towards all of traditional culture. r  DGG ( talk ) 03:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, I found that "abu qahafa" got better results than his full name: . From the limited text showing at the search results, it looks like a number of independent references to him, going beyond a mere "he was Abu Bakr's father". One of them seems to report Mohammed expressing joy at his conversion. Holly25 (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG and Holly. Polargeo (talk) 13:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Holly and DGG have shown that sources exist and there will certainly be more in Arabic. Edward321 (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.