Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Utopia Temple


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. The persuasive argument that the article fails WP:WEB has not been adequately addressed by those arguing otherwise. RockMFR's merger suggestion on account of the site's tools being notable would imply that content on the tools be merged, not on the site. The site, at any rate, is already mentioned at Utopia (online game). If anyone strongly wants to merge more content there, the deleted text is available on request. Sandstein 06:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Utopia Temple


This is a non-notable fan forum. No assertion of notability is made, no reliable sources are included, it fails WP:WEB and should be deleted. RWR8189 10:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom: definitely fails WP:WEB and WP:V as well. Jayden54 11:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, only assertion of notability is user count. MER-C 11:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per MER-C. --- RockMFR 20:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep/merge to Utopia (online game) per the notability of the tools created and hosted by the site. --- RockMFR 23:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

*Keep if you are going to delete this article, POINT OUT EXACTLY which points that it fails on. I cannot see that UtopiaTemple "definitely fails" certain criterias on links that you have provided. IMO, you have clearly misunderstood, and to an fact, underestimated the influence of this website on the Utopia, in particular tools used for the game. NeoDeGenero 02:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep/Merge - as others have stated, it is THE tool/accessory for the game. NeoDeGenero 09:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It fails every criterion of WP:WEB. The content has not been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. The website has not won a well known and independent award, either from a publication or organisation The content is not distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster--RWR8189 23:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - although I have participated in editing this article, I feel that the manner in which most of it is written makes it sound more like a fan site to Utopia Temple than an actual encyclopedic article. Please consider the following (which I also mentioned in Utopia Temple's talk page) from What Wikipedia is not / Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information:
 * "Internet guides. Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers, but should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, which can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known. See current events for examples." --- Starfriend 22:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep, rewrite: In Utopia, nearly everyone uses Angel from Utopia Temple simply because they are at such a huge disadvantage if they don't. While I agree the forum itself is not-notable, the community as a whole at Utopia Temple is very notable because it's widely held that the Angel software is what keeps Utopia as the top web-based MMOG. To delete this article out of notability is to delete the largest community in the largest web-based MMOG. Utopianheaven 12:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.