Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uusmiirad


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Uusmiirad

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Fails WP:DICDEF. (Also has slipped through the cracks for over a decade.)   Ravenswing     14:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  14:19, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Very weak keep. I don't think DICDEF really applies. Despite the wording of the article ("Uusmiiradis a Somali word..."), the topic here seems to be the process of getting water from a camel, not the Somali word for that process. That said, I found only three published sources for this, one of which (Latin and Samatar) is already cited, and another which is so similar to the content here that it may be based in part on this article. The third is the 1986 Proceedings of the Ninth International Congress of Ethiopian Studies, which is on Google Books, but only in snippet view. If there are no more sources than that, then the topic fails Notability (thus my very weak keep). But I wonder if their might be sources on the topic in other languages? Cnilep (talk) 06:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D My Son  06:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with that DICDEF doesn't apply, this is about a particular practice of slaughtering one's camel as a source of water.  I found discussion in Samatar (1982) Oral Poetry and Somali Nationalism (In an uncommonly dry season, the last drops of water in the land are extracted from the stomach of the camel. This is done through a process called 'uusmiirad' in which the stomach is hung from a tree after being pricked open with a thorn at various places. Liquid niters through these openings and is collected by wooden buckets p.13) Other search terms which might be useful, according to the Somali dictionary Qaamuuska Af-Soomaaliga are uusmiir, uusmiiro, uusmiirasho, and uusmiirid. I also wonder if maybe the topic of killing animals for water in a survival situation might be easier to find sources for? That is, have an article about the general practice, not just the Somali, camel-specific one. It might make more sense to merge it to another article, but I don't know enough about survival skills or ethnography to know how common a tactic this is across cultures. Is there a place to list this deletion discussion in terms of the survivalism aspect rather than just specifically as a somali aspect or as a word aspect? Umimmak (talk) 11:32, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I'm quite happy to amend my nomination to include that this fails the GNG as well. As far as whether this is a practice generally across the world, well, sure: I do know a lot more than most about survival skills, and slaughtering riding animals/herd beasts for water, food and shelter -- a/k/a putting the critter's body between you and the blizzard -- is well-known.  The issue would be in finding reliable sources discussing the practice, as well as finding a generally accepted name by which the practice is known.  As far as that goes, however, I'd think that this particular article's name would be a particularly obscure and useless search term.   Ravenswing      02:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete at current state of available sourcing. I am finding the same four sources provided by Cnilep and Umimmak, which show that this is a thing but a too-obscure and rarely mentioned one (at least in English language sources). No different Books, Scholar, or general hits for any of the alternate spellings. I think we are looking a at WP:GNG failure here. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as it fails WP:GNG due to the lack of good sourcing. I'm not sure what else needs to be said about it. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


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