Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uwe Bengs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Uwe Bengs

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Does not appear to meet WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Of the six references included, three of them are sports database entries, one is a passing mention. The other two are books, one of which is available on Google Books, but a search of this player's last name resulted in 0 results. However, the book seems to be simple listings of teams, with no in-depth coverage of players. Was draftified in hopes of improvement, but was returned to mainspace without improvement.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Played for a top division team. This is one of 3 articles OP has tried to delete of mine today, so Wikipedia is not Whac-A-Mole. Doesn't seem to answer The one question, since deleting three articles provides less information. Use Common Sense applies towards source concerns and The rules are principles KatoKungLee (talk) 17:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair, you moved the article back to mainspace with no improvements and wrote on your edit summary Please create an AfD if there's an issue. so having a pop at Onel for essentially taking your advice is quite disingenuous and doesn't paint a fair picture of the situation at this AfD. For what it's worth, I was shortly going to AfD this myself anyway for the same reasons. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * All 3 articles were marked as drafted without any outside opinions on the situation. It's better to do it publicly here where we can get multiple points of view.KatoKungLee (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football,  and Germany. Shellwood (talk) 17:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per KatoKungLee. Definitely has offline sources having had extensive career in 1950s-70s including top flight professional football in Germany. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia has a more decent article and lists several offline sources as references:
 * Deutsches Sportecho: Jahrgänge 1962–1974. ISSN 0323-8628
 * Hanns Leske: Enzyklopädie des DDR-Fußballs. Verlag Die Werkstatt, Göttingen 2007, ISBN 978-3-89533-556-3, S. 68.
 * Andreas Baingo, Michael Horn: Die Geschichte der DDR-Oberliga. 2. Auflage. Verlag Die Werkstatt, Göttingen 2004, ISBN 3-89533-428-6, S. 335.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be quite shocked if a top-level player with a 20-year career didn't have sigcov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The Encyclopedia of East German football only has strict stats for Bengs, no prose. Do we have evidence any of the other sources provide more than a laundry list of his league appearances (which is all his de.wp article is)? JoelleJay (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per de:Uwe Bengs another truly shocking AfD. Govvy (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Lacks WP:SIGCOV while appearing to fail WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Participation is not enough to establish notability (per WP:NSPORTS2022 and the removal of WP:NFOOTY) and votes based on such should be ignored. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources listed on German Wikipedia, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The German page is exclusively a prose list of which teams he was on and how many games he played and doesn't reference a single piece of secondary independent commentary. A snippet: In the 1963/64 season, the Neubrandenburgers managed to get promoted to the East German Oberliga, in which Bengs was involved with nine appearances. For the 1964/65 premier league season, in which the BSG was converted into the Neubrandenburg sports club, Bengs was again only a replacement for Jüsgen and only played one premier league game. SC Neubrandenburg was relegated from the Oberliga after just one year, and Bengs returned to BSG Empor Neustrelitz, which had just been relegated from the DDR-Liga. A biography based solely on that material is not encyclopedic as it does not contain any secondary analysis. Absent sources identified as SIGCOV, the article does not meet any notability criteria, in particular the clear requirement of NSPORT that a definite SIGCOV source be cited in the article. JoelleJay (talk) 19:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: BLP with no SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Fail GNG, NSPORT, NSPORTS2022. Nothing in the article is SIGCOV, BEFORE showed stats, database entries, listings. As nom mentioned the book refs do not mention the subject. The sources on de wikipedia mentioned above are brief mentions. BLPs need completely clear and reliable SIGCOV.  // Timothy :: talk  12:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG per above and nom. I must say, referring people to the German page as a keep argument is interesting as that page is in a shocking state. The usual post WP:NFOOTY confusion applies, one suspects. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I've followed this discussion since the beginning and it's becoming increasingly clear that there is no evidence that this person has ever been the subject of significant coverage in any language. As with all similar cases, the deletion should be done without prejudice against restoration if someone, at a later time, does produce SIGCOV. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:GNG -- StarryNightSky11   ☎  22:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.