Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uxía Martínez Botana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ansh 666 07:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Uxía Martínez Botana

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This article lacks a neutral point of view, it's full of mistakes and/or lies based on self-published sources. The most blatant one is the affirmation that she's one of the World's Top 10 bass players, totally made up by her or her manager. This is the original source: http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/12/26/top-ten-bass-not-bass-discussion-new-signature-basses-and-gear-plus-the-top-videos-columns-of-the-week/ and it only says that her video was the 7th most popular article on that blog on that week. Any other interpretation is invalid and all the other references prove nothing, as they have not been verified. Also, I find the article generally poorly written, exaggerating her achievements and her picture is copyrighted. Stevialover (talk) 07:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep – a) The nomination doesn't mention a single point from WP:DEL-REASON. AfD is not a mechanism to improve articles (WP:AFD, WP:BEFORE, WP:NOTCLEANUP). b) In case WP:N should be raised: the field of classical double-bass players is narrow and not widely covered by the general press or even musical magazines. Wikipedia has currently 5 female double-bassists (an underpopulated category), and <90 classical double-bassists altogether, so improving the encyclopedia's coverage of this field appears to be called for. The subject of this AfD has received sufficient coverage in independent and reputable sources, and she is the principal double-bassist in notable ensembles and orchestras. She satisfies nos. 1, 4, 6, 8 of WP:MUSICBIO. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Yes, the article creator has tried too hard: the "among the 10 world's best" claim is just what the nominator says it is even though it has spread all over the internet. However, the article without this and other inadequately cited content would still satisfy notability requirements per previous !vote Noyster (talk),  11:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep There's multiple sources stating that she's one of the top 10 bassists in the world. She passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator showss clearly he want the article to be improved but AfD is not place for cleanup. You can use NPOV and cleanup tags to achieve what you generally highlighted in your statement. This should be speedy closed, as notability is clear. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Nominator here. Fair enough, I mistook AfD for cleanup, I apologise. Still, it's pathetic how you all fell for the World's Top 10 statement when I clearly showed you the original source and you posted 3 other sources that fell for it as well. Quoting Goebbels, "A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth". Stevialover (talk) 11:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Nobody is playing down your observation here. The reason the discussion takes different route is that AfD is generally for unsalvageable, non notable and articles that totally failed verifiacation. When next you encounter statement like above which is not in concord with the source, consider being bold and remove it. In milder cases put tag next to the statement so as to alert other editors, but don't just open AfDfor such cases –Ammarpad (talk) 12:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank's for this discussion. I've just rephrased the line about the No Treble article and added some info about the new Deutsche Grammophon CD recorded by the Brussels Philharmonic. Please, check it out. As for the message that this article "considered for deletion", could you remove it, giving to the fact the problem is solved. Pavel-Kataev (talk) 12:13, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, don't worry, it will soon be closed since you withdrew. But it may not be appropriate for me now since I participated. But it will be closed. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, it'd be great! Also, I'd like to note that comments by were rather offensive. I think, the Wikipedia is not a place for destructive criticism. Hope, we all want to give verified information and improve it if necessary.Pavel-Kataev (talk) 14:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * We are different people from all over the world, our approach to issues and tone of expression must differ. You should assume good faith about others. If you've more to say write on my talkpage or his talkpage, not here, please. –Ammarpad (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


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