Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V. H. Lewis


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) -- puddleglum  2.0  19:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

V. H. Lewis

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Person possibly does not pass WP:GNG. No third party given in article, non found. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 16:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep -- General superintendent of the Church of the Nazarene is the highest elected office in the Church. This is the equivalent of archbishop in denominations that have bishops.  He held that post for 25 years, though overlaping with other holders of the post.  If this were a minute denomination, it might be different, but I do not think that applies here.  The problem with this article is that so far we only have a brief stub.  This is a denomination with 2.6M adherents.  The difficulty is that we do not have his full names, so that it may not be easy to locate sources on him.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The heads of signiciant Protestant Denomincations are default notable, this is a case of such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , even without the proof of any sources? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 19:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete – Fails WP:BASIC, and English Wikipedia presently provides no presumed notability for religious subjects in its notability guidelines. My own source searches are only providing name checks and passing mentions (e.g. this article), and primary sources, none of which establish notability. Note that the the subject also goes by the title, "Dr. V. H. Lewis", but source searches including the title, including various customizations in searching, are providing more of the same, along with a few snippet views of primary sources such as those from the Journal of the General Assembly, which is published by the Church of the Nazarene, General Assembly. Simply put, the subject does not meet any notability guidelines to qualify for an article. Name checks, fleeting passing mentions and primary sources do not establish notability. North America1000 02:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jack Frost (talk) 02:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In reply to JPL and others -- Yes - Keep despite the dearth of sources, but retain tags for lack of sources. We should assume good faith by the creator.  There is enough detail for it to be unlikely that this is invention.  If we knew a forename, it would be probably possible to locate an obituary.  The alternative is to delete the article and leave him having a red-link is the list of general superintendents, but that represents destroying what may well be correct info.  I contest Northamerica1000's assertion that he was not notable.  He is notable because of the office he held.  The problem with the article is the lack of sources; this shows he was a general superintendent; and he is also mentioned in this and this.  All seem to be internal publications of the denomination and thus not independent, but LA Times reported his retirement, and is surely WP:RS.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * His full name was Voyle Herbert Lewis but it seems he was known as V. H. Lewis. I find what appears to be a paid for death notice, on a genealogy site (about nine paragraphs down), presumably a copy of what appeared in the Olathe Daily News on 14 November 2000 (unfortunately, I cannot access any archives to confirm this). This supports a few of the facts but does not constitute ‘significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject’. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Someone might want to look him up in 'Who's Who in America. 39th edition, 1976-1977' or 'Who's Who in Religion. Second edition, 1977', though I think these are not considered reliable sources? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I found a book source that has V. H. Lewis as "general superintendent in jurisdiction". Holiness Abroad: Nazarene Missions in Asia p.182 Here's another link to the Oklahoman, 1982. On this website you can also find pdfs of his articles in print magazine, which addresses him as "general superintendent". And apparently he appointed this other guy as district superintendent. I will update the article accordingly. Awsomaw (talk) 13:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I found another article from the Oklahoman that confirmed much of the other information in the article. Awsomaw (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


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