Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VBS3


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. See Articles for deletion/VBS2 TNT applies but recreation of a better article is encouraged. Spartaz Humbug! 08:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

VBS3

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Unnotable piece of software, with the article written under obvious COI. Fails WP:GNG and is mostly unsourced, aside from the ad-ridden features list (which also mostly relies on primary sources). Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 22:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 22:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 22:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete Considerable current sourcing is primary. A lot of press releases or news clippings from the companies or militaries directly involved for the most part. I've added a trandition VG style source to the talk page. Of the three VBS entries, this one is probably closest to meeting the bar, but there's not much to work with to fully show GNG, and I don't think more is coming. Apparently VBS4 exists so any further news of VBS3 is unlikely.. -- ferret (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep These seem to be article quality issues, not anything about topic notability. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Failing WP:GNG (or WP:NVG, for that matter) is not an article quality issue. The many, many article quality issues just mount on top of it additionally. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge but TNT each of these individually into a new article free of COI. Bohemia Interactive Simulations, VBS1, VBS2, VBS3 are each sprinkled with some secondary sources on top of comments in each individual AfD.  The fact that the military is training with video game like software is notable as evidenced by the multiple news agencies reporting it (whichever version it happens to be).  A single VBS series article would seem logical as the general use of the software (not the versions/updates themselves) appears to be what is notable.  Perhaps there is another military video gaming trainig article out there to merge/redirect to, but I couldn't tell you where that is.  -2pou (talk) 21:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes  17:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm on board with 2pou's TNT + merge suggestion. -- ferret (talk) 17:24, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Likewise for the merge. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:32, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * A couple points to consider before deleting this page: VBS3 continues to be used for training worldwide. Just as an example, The U.S. Army signed a 5-year contract with BISim for VBS3 in 2017, which means it will still be used for training and they are continuing to fund improvements to VBS3 and the ADF just renewed for at least a year. This even as VBS4 was just released. A quick search of Google Scholar shows VBS3 is used uses extensively for academic simulation research. While I think the page should remain and be improved on, I'd support a merge option for the VBS series. (User: R43flldde3) 14:40, 17 December 2019


 * The above user, R43flldde3, has no edits outside of this topic area and their user page declares a conflict of interest. -- ferret (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

70.240.207.189 (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * At this point I agree with the merge proposal to a franchise page. There are a number of very solid articles on both VBS2 and 3 (haven't checked 1 yet), adding them in should add some meat that can hopefully be kept when the poorly sourced and promotional content is sliced out.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.