Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VIBES FM Hamburg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete, Every editor except for one has suggested to delete this article and this AFD has been open long enough. Thanks, Nakon  00:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

VIBES FM Hamburg

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Appears to be just an internet radio station. Can't find any secondary sources or anything that would establish any kind of notability. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC) ''moved nomination to correct place. Peridon (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)''
 * KEEP/ it is not an internet radio alone... Read before you write Prince Kassad. And moreover follow the Wiki rules. You need to post down not up!!!! Same applies to you Peridon!! --Patriciajba (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Procedural note New posts go at the bottom. The nomination goes at the top. It was the first post in the discussion and stays at the top. Responses to later posts can be posted immediately after the post concerned, with an indent. Please do not tell us the rules. Peridon (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

*KEEP/ --Patriciajba (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC) *KEEP--Patriciajba (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC) All you guys here saying "Delete"Delete" Whats your problem? Vibes FM could be reached terrestrial in some parts of Hamburg, but a very weak frequency at the moment... Will you delete Defjay in Germany streaming on the internet alone now? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defjay Ron RitzmanVibes FM was not listed during this holiday.. Please check the history. It was only modified during the holidays!

sure.. you can reach vibes FM on 96. in some parts of Hamburg...

No need deleting this article...

Whatever, even internet radios are now more accepted than terrestrial radio...

Come on guys, l wouldn't even have deleted Vibes FM if it should be just internet radio.

Are internet radios also not an art of media?

Today all terrestical stations are also streaming on internet... Will you delete Defjay in Germany streaming on the internet alone now? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defjay
 * KEEP Enviness!

Stop these bogus act of deleting behaviour.... (talk), Whpq, Ron Ritzman,みんな空の下 : Check vibes FM when you drive to Germany Hamburg North..: (but be ready for a poor frequency) (Patriciajba (talk) 19:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Question; Is "terrestical" a neologism or Portmanteau word for a terrestrial testical? Wuh  Wuz  Dat  22:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Answer; Call it how you want to.... And you could not be a good administrator for taking one side. I pity you sir, Who ever you maybe.--Patriciajba (talk) 00:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Radio station attempted to be an over the air broadcast station but elected to forego the frequency it got and now streams on the internet. I can find no coverage in reliable sources.  -- Whpq (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Answer;This isn't true!--Patriciajba (talk) 00:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm also having difficulty finding secondary sources. Page was created by a biased user so seems to be little more than an advert. Wexcan Talk  19:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Answer;Biased User? What is a biased user?!--Patriciajba (talk) 00:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment. I believe my close was proper but since this was listed during the hollidays I'm going to relist this so the article's primary editor can have her say. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and above. --みんな空の下 (トーク &#124; I wanna chAngE!) 01:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. Peter.C  •  talk  03:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete spam for a non-notable online(?) station. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

All you guys here saying "Delete"Delete" Whats your problem? Vibes FM could be reached terrestrial in some parts of Hamburg, but a very weak frequency at the moment... Will you delete Defjay in Germany streaming on the internet alone now? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defjay Ron RitzmanVibes FM was not listed during this holiday.. Please check the history. It was only modified during the holidays!
 * KEEP /
 * KEEP

sure.. you can reach vibes FM on 96. in some parts of Hamburg...

No need deleting this article... I am not affiliated to Vibes FM, but a fact is a fact!!!

Whatever, even internet radios are now more accepted than terrestrial radio...

Come on guys, l wouldn't even have deleted Vibes FM if it should be just internet radio.

Are internet radios also not an art of media?

Today all terrestrial stations are also streaming on internet... Will you delete Defjay in Germany streaming on the internet alone now? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defjay
 * KEEP Enviness!

Stop these bogus act of deleting behaviour.... (talk), Whpq, Ron Ritzman,みんな空の下 : Check vibes FM when you drive to Germany Hamburg North..: (but be ready for a poor frequency) (Patriciajba (talk) 19:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment Is or was the station licensed by its government to broadcast over the airways, and does or did it it do so? Does it originate a portion of its own programming? If so then an easy keep. Otherwise more discussion might be needed. Edison (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the station is licensed under the company Univeril Median. The Station (Vibes FM) is owned by the Univeril Median Group. Licensed in the Handles Register( Chamber of Commerce) in Germany. The Station has its own program lineup. All programs are directed by the station and not a second patry... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriciajba (talk • contribs) 20:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You miss the point of my question, or perhaps there is a language barrier in your formulation of your answer. I am not interested in whether it has a license to do business, but whether the government agency which licenses broadcasters to transmit over the air has granted it such a license, beyond some personal or temporary license. Edison (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete It seems it covers a small area of Hamburg, but streams online. I think it's been written by a non-native speaker of English, or badly translated. However, it seems clear enough that no real notability is shown. The references aren't worth tuppence - a press-release, a listing of potential takers for the frequency in Wismar, an iTunes page that seems to be selling an app to receive radio streams (and doesn't mention the subject here), and VIBES's own site. "Enviness!" - a new word to me but I quite like it. No, I'm not jealous of you. "Stop these bogus act of deleting behaviour" No, these are not bogus acts - they're real ones. By the way, do we really need a 'Radio Times' guide to the programme times? That looks like spam to me. Peridon (talk) 21:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments In view of the similarity between some posters' styles, I would point out that this isn't a head count, and that using multiple accounts to influence a vote is regarded as vandalism. I'm sure no-one is going to fall foul of WP:SOCK here. I also note that there is no article on this subject on the German language Wikipedia, nor has there been one previously. Peridon (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Ref: Peridon. Did you made mention on a native English speaker? Were you referring to me or what? There is no Spam here! Neither do l second your logical reason. There is no tangible points in your statement above me...
 * Keep

Ref: Native Speaker ;... What do you mean with different accounts? Are you the admin? Then check which IP writes here.. Sure, my name is Patricia.... Talking about Razis or what? Are you a native English speaker? Sure, l was...... Born and grew up in LA, now living here in Hamburg.... How should a worth reference look like? What do you understand with the word "Reference"? Now l start asking myself, who ever gave you the admin right here, when even you do not get what a "reference" stands for!

Yes, you are not jealous or envying anyone, but l still do not get the main point why it needs to be deleted... Trying to give logical reasons without any tangible points ... l call that bogus!!! I am not a spam... just like you aren't!!! So stop acting a way that my account will be deleted from this Wiki....  There are no spams here.. This is a real discussion and do not ran away now that the debate gets started! Patriciajba (talk) 21:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC))

And to your statement : why not in German Wiki ? Sure, check the station.. its more English Radio Station.... I think you do not get anything right? Falling foul of WP:SOCK? You know what, l start becoming angry when l come across people like you who just write things because they have heard those words before, but have problems organizing them in the right place... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriciajba (talk • contribs) 21:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Ask your self and make better researchers before you try to act here like someone with Dr Degree from Cambridge or with Masters of Computer Science graduate.... (Patriciajba (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)) Ref: Peridon, l will not be surprise if you are a German..... or whatever native person you are..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriciajba (talk • contribs) 21:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments Also why not on German Wiki ? is Defjay radio in Wiki Germany on Wiki English? Sure only on Wiki Germany......Since their program is a German line up..... l suppose?

Also a link to German version of Vibes FM Wiki... just made a research : Needs some editing although! http://marjorie-wiki.org/wiki/Vibes_fm

(Patriciajba (talk) 21:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)]
 * I am not German, but mixed English/Scottish with something unknown a couple or three generations back. I have qualifications in various fields but no degree. I'm not becoming angry. If you look at the points I and other 'deleters' are making, and do something about them, you might well save the article. If you get some references that are worth something, you'll find people willing to change their minds. If you get all worked up and start telling us we don't know what we're doing, you're not helping your case at all. Peridon (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The claim at Marjorie-wiki of 4 million listeners could help if you can show evidence for it. The bit about broadcasting in German and English is also of interest - as this is the English language Wikipedia. Peridon (talk) 22:10, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

--- Peridon, I have to prove the claim of 4 Million ? You asking me like l am the one working in this station... No l am not. but go to the website.. www.vibesfm.de and check their current listeners.... This will bring you to your question and you will obtain an answer Sir! Or ask the writter on that Wiki to give YOU a claim of 4 Million!!! You were the person who threw the ball : Talking about "Spam" and whatever ...  I think, l have been able to debate with you on your points concerning why not in a German language and whatever...

Also remember, that, no one is here to beg!!! We are here to debate, so do not make statements like: " If you get all worked up and start telling us we don't know what we're doing, you're not helping your case at all. " I have no case, l have facts and l am challenging this thread! I have proved all your questions, l have given you a link to a German reference and also a compared basis on Defjay not being listed on Wiki Eng!..

Well, l studied in England and have a Dr Degree in Computer Science.. (Patriciajba (talk) 22:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment I threw out the comment about references to you and anyone else interested. Look at WP:BURDEN to see why it is up to the creators of an article (and by extension, its supporters) to give the references, and not for others to have to look for them. Although, we do tend to do this. I've even gone to the Latvian Vikipedja for references (didn't find them, either - but found I'd got a talkpage there). If the article is deleted, take some time to find references, put it up as a subpage of a userpage, and ask for advice. I or most of the regular editors are normally quite willing to offer advice and opinions, when we are asked to (sometimes when we aren't asked, too). This advice is not to any one person - it's to any supporter of the article or editor of the article. Peridon (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Marjorie-wiki article is interesting, but another one that is not reliable - because it is on a wiki and can be edited. Please do read the policies we refer to. Defjay isn't relevant, I'm afraid, as the existence of one article is no reason for another to exist. Can't remember the policy - someone else will. Peridon (talk) 22:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Peridon, eh?

You Said "
 * The Marjorie-wiki article is interesting, but another one that is not reliable - because it is on a wiki and can be edited.

"

come on Mr, what on a wiki can not be edited?

All articles on Wiki Eng, could also be edited!!

Or l got something wrong?

This Article Will Not Be Deleted Period! And by the way, how come you could understand German? Are saying you are Scot with whatever? Where did you learn the German Language? Do not tell me from the school! "You commented" ::I am not German, but mixed English/Scottish with something unknown a couple or three generations back (Patriciajba (talk) 04:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment: Wow, what a STRONG statement....Patriciajba now makes Wikipedia policy by her own mandate. Maybe we should all bow to Her Royal Highness...on second thought, I can think of a more appropriate "salute"! Wuh  Wuz  Dat  22:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment "All articles on Wiki Eng, could also be edited!!" Quite right. On Wikipedia. another Wikipedia article may be used as a link but not as a reference for establishing notability. That has to be established by sources independent of the subject, and which are not wikis, blogs, forums or sites like AboutUs. Press releases also don't count. Why shouldn't I be able to read German? I read a few languages. Not to the extent of reading Kant or Schopenhauer in the original, but I have read Brecht's 'Die Dreigroschenoper' in German, and seen it in performance in German as well. Peridon (talk) 12:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

-- Peridon, you do not sound someone professional to me Sir!
 * I Say *

You commented " "::I am not German, but mixed English/Scottish with something unknown a couple or three generations back

But few hours ago, you commented that there is no article written in German language. However l tried to do a research on the net and came to the link l provided. This did not satisfied you, you went on claiming the evidence of 4 Million listeners, l then said to myself " OMG what ? " Then you said the wiki link could be edited ... And sure Mr, where do you wanna drive to, now?

Now you commented " Peridon 04:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)) " (talk) 21:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC) "
 * Comment "All articles on Wiki Eng, could also be edited!!" Quite right. On Wikipedia. another Wikipedia article may be used as a link but not as a reference for establishing notability. That has to be established by sources independent of the subject, and which are not wikis, blogs, forums or sites like AboutUs.
 * Comments In view of the similarity between some posters' styles, I would point out that this isn't a head count, and that using multiple accounts to influence a vote is regarded as vandalism. I'm sure no-one is going to fall foul of WP:SOCK here. I also note that there is no article on this subject on the German language Wikipedia, nor has there been one previously. Peridon (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

What is all about? You need a wiki German claim, you had it, now you are talking about "AboutUs.com" ...

What got that to do with this? Be smart and clever, publishing an article on AboutUs! .....  Should l tell you how to publish an article on AboutUs?

By the way, where are you located at? You sound strange! Your points of view are neither logical nor tangible Sir!

Oh and with your German knowledge ... Kling sehr Interresant... Wo haben sie Deutsch Gelernt? --- Unglaublich! Give me logical and tangible points Sir. Stop beating along the bush Sir ... > And call spade a spade! (Patriciajba (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)) I would point out that this isn't a head count, and that using multiple accounts to influence a vote is regarded as vandalism. This falls foul of WP:SOCK here. --Patriciajba (talk) 14:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments Firstly, The article on Defjay cannot be discussed for deletion here as it is in the German language Wikipedia. Anyone familiar with the procedures there is quite free to nominate it for deletion if they think fit. (Having looked at it, I wouldn't rush to !vote 'Behalten'.) Secondly, may I ask that posters here do not remove text from or make alterations to other people's posts without giving an explanation, as I did when moving the nomination to the top of the discussion? If you want to change part of your own posts, please do so, but it is sometimes preferred that in the case of major change, the old text be struck through rather than removed. Minor changes (typos, etc) don't need this. Peridon (talk) 14:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments And listen, Peridon, the writer Prince Kassad is suppose to follow the rules here by posting at the bottom of the post. Seems you are the same person!!!!
 * Comment and suggestions, Patriciajba, your ranting and raving here are doing NOTHING to help your case. you have singlehandedly DESTROYED the threading of this discussion, possibly beyond repair, It's now a gordian knot.  Your terrible grammar (the absolute worst I have ever seen from someone with a doctorate degree...oh excuse me, it's a "Doctor degree"), lack of good faith, personal attacks, and unfounded accusations of sockpuppetry are all examples of why it may be a VERY good idea for you to CALM DOWN before your next edit. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  15:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 *  STRONG Delete per nom. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  15:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * changed my !vote from Delete to Strong Delete. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  23:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Wuh  I think l never attacked anyone... But it is rude to see articles just being deleted. Also, stop being rude. Trying to debate on my Dr Degree should be a shame to you yourself..... Block my account here or delete my profile.. if thats what will make your day .. go ahead! And as l said, l am not here to beg to add an article, l am here to debate on an article not to be deleted..... By the way, make a research on who threw the ball concerning multi-accounts before you make these statements.... Well, l think you need to check your gramma.... And by the way no body writes : "singlehandedly"   Rather single-handedly! --Patriciajba (talk) 19:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment*
 * KEEP per nom.--Patriciajba (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the nominator is assumed to have voted to delete. Also; 1 opinion per editor please, and as such, I have struck out each and every one of the numerous duplicate Keep votes from Patriciajba. These discussion are NEVER decided on who writes the most verbose, abusive, or vitriolic statements, but rather on the merits of the article itself. If someone was to put as much effort into improving the article and its references as she has put in to spewing vitriol on this and other pages, the opinions here may have changed, but I see little or no chance of convincing her to do so. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  22:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

-- I was angry when l saw that the article has been deleted after l have edited it.... There was no way to calm down. Now if everyone will CALM DOWN.. Then sure... things will be much better. Now, l am calming down and adding this to my point of view why the article should not be deleted...

Vibes FM is registered by the GEMA and the GVL (LEISTUNGSSCHUTZRECHTEN mbH (GVL)) in Germany. It acquired his Licences from the Hamburg/Schleswig Hosltein Median Anstallt. The frequency 97.0 which should have been taken in Wismar was not taken due to the poor marketing situation in the Eastern part of Germany ( 2006 - 2007 ). In the year 2009, Vibes FM took the frequency 96.7 which covers some parts of Hamburg. The reason is, there are no more free frequency at this time and the only one they had was this one(96.7)!
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However, the Head of the Hamburg Median Anstalt Company has promised to give them a better frequency that will cover the entire hamburg as soon as one is free. The other frequencies are being hired by stations like Radio Hamburg to cover some parts during their shows. l will like to contribute to this debate on Vibes FM since it is not just an internet Radio streamer as one suggested.... I will see if l could get some official links to this but seems, the freq. 96.7 was not published for many people to compete upon as was done with the 97.0 in Wismar. This makes it hard to get a notable reference........
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Now if you still want to delete it then give me a reason..--Patriciajba (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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