Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VIRUS (Cyber Fools) (film)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

VIRUS (Cyber Fools) (film)

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Seems like a hoax to me, as I found no sources online (other than a Facebook post) that refer to this film. Also, the article states that the film has premiered on October 29, 2015, a date yet to happen. Even if it's not a hoax, it clearly fails WP:MOVIE, specifically WP:NFF. Gparyani (talk) 22:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom, maybe it sure a hoax. 333-blue 23:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

it is not a hoax. please see the corrected "premiers" tense. also, there are numerous youtube videos of the film's audience reaction to the film-feature, VIRUS, and an Official Trailer. the Theater website will also be updating their calendar soon to display VIRUS. Teaser Trailer Launch parties have already occured, and evidence can also be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virtual assassin (talk • contribs) 23:12, 5 October 2015 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Virtual assassin (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

If the user (talk) actually investigated the film and its events then they would understand that there is much more than a singular facebook post, but an RSVP event where more than 100 attendees are already reserved, and an entire production company that is legitimately established and promotes the film regularly until its release on October 29th. DO NOT REMOVEVirtual assassin (Virtual assassin) 22:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, so the film exists. But does it meet our inclusion criteria?

yes it does meet the criteria. it will be featured in the next slamdance film festival that has yet to occur, as well as myself being a graduating student with a BA from California State Univerysity of Long Beach. not to mention, external references have been added to the page, and artwork will also be included once i have permission. Virtual assassin (talk) 00:05, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an unreferenced article about an unreleased, unreviewed extremely low budget film. The film clearly fails Notability (films). Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

the budget is irrelevant for a digital film in 2015. if real specs were to be taken into consideration, $15,000 have been used on camera equipment, renting locations and vehicles. Please see the official trailer in the external links section before you pass judgement without doing proper research, and understand that this is a legitimate film that will have a social and cultural impact on the long beach film scene. Also because the film is so new, the article will become extremely relevant upon the first public screening of the film in under a month's time. please don't harass this page. : Virtual assassin (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , if you think Wikipedia ought to have an article about every film ever made, then you have a deep misunderstanding about our notability guidelines. This is an encyclopedia, not a film promotion website. We accept articles only about topics which have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. For films, the most common.indicator is that the film has been reviewed by several professional film.critics, published in reliable sources. The "official trailer" is not an independent source, and therefore has no bearing on this debate. We need to evaluate sources that have nothing whatsoever to do with the filmmakers. When you say the film "will have a social and cultural impact", that is a prediction about the future which may or may not come true. We need proof of such things, and report them and take them into consideration only after they have happened. By the way, if you have a conflict of interest as someone involved with the film production, then you are obligated to disclose it, and to refrain from directly editing the article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * are you getting paid to bully independent films because they do not meet the likes of Michael Bay's multi-hundred-million dollar budget and sales? or are you doing this on your own accord? i suggest you get outside and take a deep breath, and talk to a living person. there's no need for you to passive-aggressively attack a wiki article that is unimportant to you, and clearly are uneducated about the critical impact of art and its archiving significance. Virtual assassin (talk) 03:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Many editors would respond with anger to your unwarranted personal attack, . I will respond with the facts instead. No, I am not paid for any of my edits and I am not bullying. I have participated in thousands of Articles for Deletion debates on a very wide range of topics, as a volunteer. My only goal here is clear: To maintain the quality of the encyclopedia. I have helped save many articles on notable topics, and have expanded and referenced many articles. They are all listed on my user page. Hint for you: Impugning the motives of a highly experienced editor is not a good strategy for keeping an article. Bringing forward reliable, independent sources discussing the topic is the only thing to do. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. While not a hoax, this does appear to be a non-notable independent film. Per WP:NFILM all films must be the focus of independent and reliable sources such as newspaper articles or reviews in places like Twitch Film or We Got This Covered. Also, just appearing at a film festival is not something that would show notability. It's generally accepted that a film will premiere somewhere and while showing at a festival will make it more likely that there will be coverage, it is not a guarantee regardless of the film festival's notability. Also, notability is not automatically inherited by the film festival itself being notable. (WP:NOTINHERITED) When the film screens and if it receives enough coverage to pass notability guidelines this could be created, but not before then. I suppose that a copy of this could be sent to AfC, but this would need to be entirely re-written to remove the promotional tones, unsourced claims, and general casual tone of the article. In other words, there's really nothing to salvage here and this would probably benefit more from having a clean start once the film releases and gains the required coverage. On a side note, the critical reception section is supposed to be used for critics' reviews of the film - not an unsourced Q&A about the reasons for creating the film. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - needs independent sources, which don't seem available, to pass the bar of notability on Wikipedia. --Dirk Beetstra T  C 11:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete as being TOO SOON. When screened and IF receiving the requisite sourcing, it can be resurrected. If the author wishes it returned to him in a DRAFTSPACE as we wait, I'd say okay.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:00, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as there's simply not much. SwisterTwister   talk  05:38, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


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