Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vaibhav Vinay Maloo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is obvious meat puppetry going on here and none of the keep votes stacked up against a devastating source analysis. If this gets recreated please ping me to look into the possibility of further coi editing Spartaz Humbug! 19:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Vaibhav Vinay Maloo
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Quoting User:Smalljim's nomination at Articles for deletion/Vaibhav Maloo (2nd nomination): "Despite appearances, there is nothing to show notability here. Although the article has been re-worked since the previous AfD, all the references are either passing mentions, or don't mention the subject, or are not independent. There is no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject as required by WP:BIO or WP:N." Some of the sources are newer, but it's the same mix of obvious paid puff pieces, press releases, passing mentions, and doesn't-even-mention-hims. His company and his father might be notable, but notability is not inherited on Wikipedia. Editors searching for any significant, independent coverage I might have missed, please note that his name is commonly spelled Vaibhav Maloo, which was salted following repeated deletion and sockpuppetry. Storchy (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Businesspeople,  and India. Storchy (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Even with the alt spelling given above, it's still puff pieces. Delete. Oaktree b (talk) 15:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep : The article was previously deleted in 2014, which is 8 years before. Lot of events happened after that and the subject has become director and founder of many BSE listed multi billion turnover companies after that and has recieved many prestigious awards after that. Morover many new significant news references were introduced to prove the notability. There is no press release articles in the set of references. Only significant sources were added. The deleted page was create protected so it was recreated in his alternate name Jehowahyereh (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Jehowahyereh (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
 * please provide sources for these wins, what's given in the article isn't sufficient. Oaktree b (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment : A number of featured and reliable news references are added including Zee News, NewsX, Businessworld, The Pioneer (India), CEO Magazine etc which proves notability of the subject. Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * as noted in the nomination, all the references are either passing mentions, or don't mention the subject, or are not independent. A pile of passing mentions in reliable sources does not confer notability: we need to see significant coverage, from independent, reliable sources, not passing mentions in reliable ones, along with obvious paid puffery. Storchy (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: As User Jehowahyereh said. Contributor008 (talk) 09:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see my reply above to article creator Jehowahyereh's assertions. 09:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - here's a source analysis:
 * press release in barely comprehensible English, dated "Oct 09, 2022, 12:37 AM IST", which was 33 min prior to its addition as a reference by a busy anonymous editor. The conflict of interest is fairly obvious here.
 * adulatory interview by coffee table mag "The CEO Magazine", not a WP:SECONDARY source.
 * obvious paid puff piece from a blog pretending to be a newspaper. "We accept sponsored blog posts and SaaS product reviews on Thedailyguardian.com . This is a business and marketing blog for entrepreneurs, and business brands."
 * another obvious paid puff piece with no byline, from a paper that freely mixes real journalism with churnalism
 * obvious paid puffery from a zero-value news blog "news24hours.in", nothing to do with News 24 (Indian TV channel), WP:BLOGS are not reliable sources
 * Zee News is reliable, but this is simply a very short interview, and therefore a WP:PRIMARY source.
 * I had to rescue this using archive.org, as the reference has been dead for months, so the article creator clearly didn't bother reading it before adding. It's another short interview, and therefore a WP:PRIMARY source.
 * another obvious paid puff piece from a blog pretending to be a newspaper
 * The Pioneer (India)'s own reporting is reliable, but they also carry press releases like this one. It's a WP:SPS, by author "Agencies", and therefore not an independent and reliable source.
 * a reliable source, but the article is about his company, and he's only mentioned in passing.
 * another interview, not a WP:SECONDARY source.
 * obvious paid puff piece interview from "ceoinsightsindia.com", a zero-value blog
 * https://asiaone.co.in/vaibhav-maloo-2/: another paid puff piece with adulatory interview, from "Asia One magazine", an awards mill, dated 26 September, a week after AFD nomination.
 * he's only mentioned in passing as attending, in a promo article about a cycling event
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/cycling/tour-de-india-gets-recognised-by-uci/articleshow/26640497.cms: also doesn't mention him, but in this case doesn't even mention his company
 * he's only mentioned in passing in a promo article about a cycling event
 * , article about Enso Group, and he's only mentioned in passing
 * article about GE, his company gets a brief mention, then he's mentioned in passing
 * article about his father; Vaibhav Maloo is only mentioned in passing toward the end
 * single-sentence press release about him ceasing to be a director
 * Annual company report, lists his position as a director, not a WP:SECONDARY source
 * obvious paid puffery from "journeysuccessstories.com"
 * press release from partner company GE about their project, which only mentions him in passing
 * article about his company, only mentions him in passing
 * another article about his company, appears to be a press release, mentions him only in passing
 * article about his company, doesn't mention him
 * article about GE, mentions his company, doesn't mention him
 * press release about his company, quotes him in passing
 * article about another company, mentions his company in passing, doesn't mention him
 * article about another company, mentions his company in passing, doesn't mention him
 * article about another company, mentions his company in passing, doesn't mention him
 * article about another company, mentions his company in passing, doesn't mention him
 * article about COVID, quotes him in passing
 * https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/companies/wockhardt-enso-health-join-hands-for-sputnik-jabs/articleshow/85312466.cms: short newsflash about his company, doesn't mention him
 * article about a sale involving his company, mentions him in passing
 * list of leaders with no indication of inclusion criteria. He's simply an entry in the list, with a link to the ceoinsightsindia.com puff piece described above
 * apparently affiliated with the "Asia One" awards mill above, here he's an entry in a list of hundreds of businesspeople, with no indication of inclusion criteria
 * a very short "achiever's success story" from the "Indian Achievers Forum", no indication of the notability of this award, or whether one can nominate oneself
 * another "achiever's success story" from the "Global Choice Awards", no indication of the notability of this award, or whether one can nominate oneself

I hope this is helpful to editors wading through the references to determine whether his notability has increased since the last deletion. Storchy (talk) 11:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting. Please review Storchy's source analysis just added today to the discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment The source analysis above just proves it's more of nothing. "Man says xyz" is not a good citation, 20 of them doesn't help. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Enso Group per WP:ATD. The source analysis above is convincing; subject fails WP:SIGCOV. Clearly a case of WP:REFBOMBing.4meter4 (talk) 02:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Added couple of secondary news sources as suggested from Daily Guardian and Outlook India, thus passes notability Jehowahyereh (talk) 11:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither is a secondary source. The first is a marketing blog, and the second is an obvious paid puff piece with no byline. I've added both to the source analysis above. This must be costing someone a fortune in fees. Storchy (talk) 11:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you sees every references as puff pieces. The Daily Guardian is definetly a news paper. Here is the epaper link of it https://epaper.thedailyguardian.com/ and its showing as correspondant written the article and not any sponsored disclaimer is seen in the article. About Outlook India magazine, it is a reputed Indian Magazine and there is no sponsered disclaimer in that article also Jehowahyereh (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The CEO Magazine article is a mix of quoting his words and what the journalist understands. Thus definetly can be considered as a secondary source. Jehowahyereh (talk) 12:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That Daily Guardian website also says "We accept sponsored blog posts and SaaS product reviews on Thedailyguardian.com . This is a business and marketing blog for entrepreneurs, and business brands."
 * Outlook India likewise carries both real journalism and puff pieces. In this case, there is a very clear disclaimer, "OUTLOOK FOR BRANDS", at the top. If you have a browse through WP:RSP, you'll see that there are many well known papers and magazines that carry sponsored content. On Wikipedia, WP:SPONSORED content is not considered a reliable source. Storchy (talk) 12:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Daily Guardian article is not a sponsored one as it says written by correspondand and no tags/ disclaimer found. It is definitely a secondary source. The Outlook India article comes under the Business Spotlight section and Outlook for Brands doesn't represent any sponsored news instead its a section representing news related to Brands. It cannot be summoned as a sponsored article either Jehowahyereh (talk) 15:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment An anonymous editor has been busy WP:CITEBOMBing this article with very recent press releases (one dated only 33 minutes before addition to the article). Source analysis updated. Storchy (talk) 08:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I have gone through the news reference https://www.cnbctv18.com/pti/enso-groups-vaibhav-maloo-opens-up-on-growth-of-young-businesses-and-startups-14897031.htm added by someone from some IP ID. There is no such rule in wiki that any recent news article can't be added as reference. The news article seems credible to me as it says by CNBCTV18 . The news is provided by Press Trust of India, which is a nonprofit organisation Jehowahyereh (talk) 09:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, there's no rule against adding a half-hour old press release to the bio of a businessman. It's just bloody odd. Here's a quote from that totally credible reference:''"Vaibhav sees to cherishing the high-techs and ways to improve the management techniques to win the race. Claiming a flexible mindset, he asserts, “The technique of surgical operator helps him with the ability to execute tasks with minimal recurring costs and lighter books.”"
 * Yeah, seems legit. 😀 Storchy (talk) 09:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep : Comments are too harsh, and some comments are undermining all of Indian media, and his notability is clear. Article should be cleaned up and diverted to "Vaibhav Maloo" as there are multiple sources for the same facts. Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk)
 * Reviewing admins, please note that have been almost exclusively on Draft:Vaibhav Maloo, requests for unprotection of salted Vaibhav Maloo (for which this source analysis by User:Jéské Couriano is eerily close to mine above), Vinay Maloo, Enso Group, and other directly connected articles. Not quite a single-purpose account, but damn close. Storchy (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete : All of the sources seem to be puff pieces. Definitely fails WP:GNG.  Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 18:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I checked out the source analysis by Storchy. About I am not convinced why he rejected the link and did not accept it as RS. I don not understand why the date of publishing is the matter fr him! About, You are right the portal accept sponsors for publish paid articles but important point is on sponsored post you will know that as it will be show up on link of article (https://thedailyguardian.com/sponsered/...) or sponsored tag will be show p at the top of article. Therefore only because of the portal accepted sponsors, we can not rejected it as unreliable source. Many of reliable and independent portals has sponsors. About , as you mentioned its reliable and short interview but alongside withe other sources it will be helpful to establish notability. With all due my respect I don not believe in your source analysis because your provided reason is with the purpose of rejecting! About reliable press you claimed that are short! about significant coverage you claimed they are unreliable because of date of publishing or accepting sponsors and ect.  Anyway as an entrepreneur per receiving significant overages, recognition and award he passes WP:GNG. Ginbopewz (talk) 12:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, many reliable sources host sponsored content. But on Wikipedia, that WP:SPONSORED content is not considered a reliable source, regardless of who's hosting it. There are also many sources here where they haven't even bothered to label obvious paid puff pieces as sponsored. All we have here is a mountain of puff pieces and sponsored content for sources. Storchy (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment that low rumbling noise you hear is the sound of a herd of meatpuppets, galloping up and over the hill to pile in here. Storchy (talk) 13:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment : You act like this site is fer-Meta CEO and just the first generation entrepreneurs but then the site is not complete. Family businesses and founders and achievers have a right to be here, why would you reject this good case for no reason? Fer real. I can say there are so many such prominent Indian cases that should be here considering its the 5th largest economy in the world through. You should allow few more who are NOTABLE. I can give you a list later. Do not try to create a paradigm shift but this argument may take one because of me so please be rational admin sirs/mams, and please consider the merit of this case in an unbiased way. Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk)
 * Wikipedia has very careful definitions of what and who is notable enough for an encyclopaedia article. On Wikipedia, not all notable companies have notable heads, if all they've ever done is be the head of the company. The relevant guideline in this case is WP:BIO. You might also find WP:NOTINHERITED helpful. Storchy (talk) 14:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have seen cases go either ways on this very site about similar cases. This ain’t Bumble, of course, that anyone create a page, so notability is a criteria. He is also a columnist, FYI Nuttyprofessor2016(talk)
 * Here are some other AFDs on non-notable heads of notable companies, for comparison:
 * Articles for deletion/Mark Aslett, president and CEO of Mercury Systems,
 * Articles for deletion/Bobby Castro, founder and CEO of BHG Financial. Storchy (talk) 15:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * http://vaibhavmaloo.com/blogs/ . FYI Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 15:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Columns that he's written himself are primary sources. Can you find significant coverage of his work as a columnist, in reliable secondary sources? Because if he's a notable writer, then that might be worth pursuing. Storchy (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * His work has been duplicated but as himself as primary source. I know that. A combination of all this and leading the WORLD’S LARGEST CYCLOTHON (by number), I think he should be fine. Floor is open.
 * Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 16:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * According to the source cited he didn't lead the Tour de India, he "served in Tour de India organising body, ID Sports for a year". Storchy (talk) 16:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * He still shows as the MD on the official site. Please check. Served is a polite word for someone who has had an occupation.
 * http://www.tourdeindia.asia/aboutus.html Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that what "served" means in this context, but the reference in the article says "served for a year", not "serves". The reference you've just linked to appears to contradict the one in the article, but it does say that he's MD of ID Sports, who run the tour. I think I see why now: the Tour de India doesn't appear to have been held since 2013. You can certainly add that new reference though. Storchy (talk) 16:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it hasn’t since 2013. That year was the larger of the two. ID sports still manages the franchise. Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 17:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep As an executive officer, he could be notable. Being managing director, chairman or member of boarding of truss of multiple notable companies including Enso Group,  Tour de India,  Enso Care, Enso Healthcare and BSE, was covered by reliable sources that paasing mention of him just to specify his positions. I think, , , , , ,  and... would be enough to pass WP:GNG. ZanciD (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These references are very poor as either press-releases, PR or interview or passing mentions or routine annoucements. None of them consisitute WP:SECONDARY coverage that is NOT PR driven.   scope_creep Talk  12:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep- I read all Keep & Delete comments. Keep voters have presented logical reasons for their claim and I do agree with them. For example, an Indian business executive has had several important positions like as chairman or director in several notable companies. Sources in article prove it. Or several in-depth & reliable sources are mentioned by voters that help us know subject meets General notability guideline. I think sources in article are sufficient to show notability of a business executive. Yüsiacı (talk) 01:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per the reviews noted and sources provided by ZanciD. most of the time, we have to choose between company or person who is the founder or main person of that, when one of them (company and chairperson) does not qualify for notability singly. As ZanciD noted, being Key person of multiple notable companies proved by sources, could causes to meet WP:GNG. Elbatli (talk) 20:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Effectively three WP:SPA sleeper accounts, likely paid editors coming in to fudge the Afd. No interest in sources.   scope_creep Talk  12:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete Through my own analysis of the sources and the reference review above it is clear this person is non-notable. It is a lot of routine annoucements, PR, press-releases, scheduled events, passing mentions and indirect sources, for example the company but no significant independent secondary coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO and that is an honest assessment.   scope_creep Talk  12:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


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